Talk:Calabria

NOT Occitania

The map of Occitania is completely irrelevant! 伟思礼 (talk) 19:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Calabrians! I am an American and I am working on my family geneology. My grandfather Joseph Pezzano was born in Calabria in the late 1800's. Prior to emigrating to New York and resided in Philadelphia, it is believed that he worked for a short time in Poland on the railroad. Later When he lived in Philadelphia he married and had 13 children. I am the son of his middle son Angelo born in 1928.

email: mikepezzano@yahoo.com

Add Cultural Clash as Topic

Someone with more knowledge could maybe make an objective report about differences between immigrants and people there. Thanx Maarten,dutch (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Adj/noun

I have heard many versions of the usage of 'Calabria' as an adjective and other forms. Is a person from Calabria a Calabrian or a Calabrezi? As an adjective would it be Calabrian or Calabrese?

I think the best english wording is "Calabrian", while the italian adjective (singular) is "Calabrese" or "Calabresi" (plural). A person from Calabria is thus 'Calabrian'. ---iannigb

Famous Calabrians

Some Calabrians listed are actually Americans of Calabrian descent.

I've updated this list and welcome edits. Some content needs to be confirmed. Some people of Calabrian descent probably shouldn't be included if they are associated primarily with another country. Some that originated in Greece, that resided primarily in Calabria, are and should be included. Mariokempes 19:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Language

Napolitan is spoken only in Naples, not in all southern Italy.

The article on Calabria is to say the least " PATHETIC" !! In reality is WRong and politically motivated !! I note that there is no indication of the great cultural contribution of the Calabrian from the father of the rinascimento £TELESIO BERNARDINO " to the Inventor of the aspirin and nobel laureate Dulbecco !! The talk about criminality when in fact its a lot of nonsense and I shall refrain to REALLY SPELL where the criminals are !! There are political vertual reality in our world and we must live with them !! Going back to Calabrian Language its ALL ITALIAN and all its dialects LATIN base 100% ............aside from infilrations of immigrants in the 1400 century from albania that still speak an old form of albanian language, the dialects from Croton , Cosenza, Catanzaro and reggio are ANCIENT LATIN in their structure. The rest of the article needs a severe face lift !! i have attempted the corrections but i am under control !! they want to write what they want !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.26.49 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Spam containing the word "Calabria"

I have received a huge amount of email in the past week that contains this word either in the subject or in the first sentence of the email. Is this the name of a new medication or something? Why would that word appear in spam messages? Thanks. --Dusty Wilson 20:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I am Calabrian and I know for sure that Calabria is not the name of some new medication. I really can't realize why your spam messages speak about Calabria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.3.33.177 (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

What is the pronunciation for Calabria and Calabrese? Audio files would be best for the main page, but a phonetic listing is good enough I suppose.

It is something as "Kah-LAH-Bree-Ah". It would be nice if English language pronounced as it is written, like Italian, Latin or German. --Attilios 17:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Calabrese is something like "Kal- Ah-BRAY-See". Paul August ☎ 17:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not adept at deciphering english "phonetic", but I think what you have just spelled is the plural form- calabresi. The singular- calabrese- would end in a "say" not a "see" 66.183.217.31 22:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That's correct. I am "calabrese" and this is the right pronounciation. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.3.33.177 (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Broccoli

Isn't Calabria, Italy, reputed to be the location where broccoli was first cultivated? MaynardClark (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources are needed about the supposed Greek immigration dating back to the 16th and 17th century

I wait for a certain period. Either who added the lines talking about a supposed Greek immigration in Calabria dating back to the 16th and 17th century post some reliable source about this event that seems to be completely invented to me or I delete those lines. In fact a migration actually took place in the period and had some of the characteristics that are pointed out, but this was an immigration of Arbereshe and not Greek people.

Sorry, Calabria was not settled first (by oscian speaking people), this formulation is odd. Indo-European Oscians only arrived there around 800 before Chr. (may be up to 200 years earlier). There were people already there since the stone age, among them probably early Greek colonists.

In addition - where does the name of the region does come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.133.155.70 (talk) 10:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you didn't read the article properly, which doesn't speak of a Greek migration from the 16th and 17th century but instead refers to the degeneration of the (formerly widespread) Greek language in Calabria and other regions of southern Italy during 16th and 17th centuries along with a citation. I strongly suggest you to reconsider removing sourced information, since in Wikipedia removing sourced information is considered vandalism. see Wikipedia:Vandalism 11:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)Cmend95 (talk)

Calabria bears a strong resemblance to the Greek city of Kalavryta where the English v replaces the Greek b which in Greek sounds as v. Greeks did colonize Southern Italy from about 800BCE.101.162.70.202 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Removing 700,000 BC claim

I am removing the claim of evidence of habitation at up to 700,000 BC, based on two reasons:

1. The claim is unsourced and contentious.
2. The coincidence of this date being close to the defined end of the Calabrian subdivision of the Palaeolithic age (which is named as such for wholly unrelated reasons).

It is simply too probable that an enthusiast perhaps did a quick google, and, skimming the name in a returned search header/paragraph, saw the name of Calabria alongside that period's defined end, which can vary depending on sources but is almost always quite close to a little over 700ka, and slapped in something that sounds very nice. This — combined with a complete dearth of supporting citation for a claim that, while certainly far from impossible, can certainly be considered debatable without any supporting evidence — essentially demands that the claim be either tempered or removed. However, since I do not have any definitive source that provides a better or corrected date (nor, apparently, has anyone else for a substantial period of time now) and the claim stands alone, the remaining correct action is deletion, at least until it can be sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saturn comes back around (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Geology

The geology chapter is not up to Wikipedia standards. While it does explain some characteristics of the Calabrian geology, it's mainly a long list of authors having published something about the Calabrian geology. Not what people look for when they want information! And the earthquake of 1783 isn't even mentioned? Jóna Bók (talk) 19:55, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Poorly written

Is this a translation from another language? Landroo (talk) 06:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Probably. Also amateurish in other respects. 92.11.238.246 (talk) 11:00, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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Sub-literate article

Much of the article is sub-literate. Someone who knows a lot about Calabria should edit it. I will try to remove some of the rubbish, time permittingCampolongo (talk) 10:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC).

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External links

I remove an over-excessive amount of links from the "External links" section that amounted to promotional advertisement and link farming. I was largely indiscriminate except for the listed "official" home page or that included the word "history". Usually three or four is considered sufficient but I left five. If someone would care to examine the list, exchange any, or even remove another one, please feel free to improve as seen fit. Otr500 (talk) 14:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Border

Calabria does share a maritime border with the island of Sicily. The idea of having an article state that one place has a maritime border is used elsewhere. From the Nunavut article "It also shares maritime borders with Greenland and the provinces of Quebec, Ontario, and Manitoba." Vaselineeeeeeee, El C, Ritchie92 CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what is exactly defined as a maritime border for Regions. For what we know Calabria could also share a maritime border with Apulia, since the whole gulf of Taranto is part of the Italian territorial waters. Also then Friuli Venezia Giulia (and possibly Veneto?) shares a border with Croatia, and Sardinia and Tuscany share a border with Corsica, France. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

And at Nunavut it isn't stated in the lead. Calabria does state in the Geography section "It is separated from Sicily by the Strait of Messina", which should suffice, but "maritime" border could also work its way into the sentence if necessary - I still don't think this will stop the IPs, however. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I suspect that we will have to wait and see. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Bring disputes here

@Yakme: & @ItalianConquest: bring your differences here. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

There is really not much to discuss. I think ItalianConquest has little experience in editing on English Wikipedia, so I don't think their edits are improving the page at all. Sentences without any meaning like Calabria was one of the very first Ancient Greek colonies, who named Southern Italy, Italia and so on, speak for themselves . They go on saying false things like "the rest of Italy was German ruled under the middle ages' Holy Roman Empire". Or plain invented facts like "Even to date, inhabitants of Calabria and Southern Italy speak a variety of Greek-influenced dialects belonging to a branch of Romance languages (namely the Napoletano+Siciliano) other than of the very Italian language itself". Note that this invented language (called by them "Napoletano+Siciliano") links to Italo-Dalmatian languages. I have no words. The text they are adding is not even written in English. Also, in the Etymology section of this article (i.e. about Calabria), they deleted everything and left just: The modern name Italy derives from Italia, which was first used as a name for Southern Italy by the Ancient Greeks. which makes no sense here. I think we need WP:COMPETENCE to edit on Wikipedia. Also from the edit comments of ItalianConquest, it looks like they have a weird conspiracy theory about Calabria and Brexit (It is a EU byproduct of last decade's Italy-England financial partnership and based in wealthy Northern Italy (in 2007 the Italian Stock Exchange, based in Northern Italy, was purchased by the London's), that was cowardly faulting this small Southern Italian region of ancient Greek heritage, as opposed to their bigger urban jungles with a more sophisticated Germanic legacy. Itopular at Wikipedia because of recent years' Brexit development). --Yakme (talk) 17:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

There's a problem of political nature. I have nothing much else to say. I explained all my contributions in the edit line. I don't think it's a matters of unsourced then, as nothing was sourced before. ItalianConquest (talk) 21:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

The problem is in the narrative, generally part of Northern Italy's political parties, in which Southern Italy is broking apart.. in three pieces: Sardinia and Sicily and the southern Italian peninsula. The reason is that they (namely, the Lega Nord, which northern Europeans tend to misinterpret by the way especially the British) seek central power, that of Rome. Another reason is that they would want to be "allowed" (by Rome) to form an independent nation. And so on. Followers of their political movements push this narrative.

This habit they thrive on is not acceptable. But some how their national party gained a broader consensus over the course of the last years that they were recognised credit by many, leading to despicable disinformation, as it is the case for this page on Calabria, a Southern Italian administrative region (a proper political entity).

And so now let's jump into the specific statements. "<<Calabria was the first region to take the name of Italy, as well as the founder of the homonymous name, since it was inhabited by the Italics.>>" ______ That's false. Entirely speculative. Not only, it is actually part of a narrative of expansion, economic and political. It's vomit. The story of the name of Italy goes more like this: ancient people came up with the name Italia to distinguish it from Sicily. End of story. Basically, the Italics were living on the "boot" while Sicilians on the Island of Sicily.

"<<In antiquity the name Calabria referred, not as in modern times to the toe, but to the heel tip of Italy, from Tarentum southwards,>>" This is a play. Why does it read "from Tarentum southwards" and not something like "on the other side of the Gulf of Tarentum"? In my opinion it's purportedly written to lack full coherence, or possibly they simply got it wrong. Who knows? It's written with a propagandist mindset absolutely. Need I go on with the rest? Yakme is shilling and that's clear as daylight. ItalianConquest (talk) 14:35, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I really don't understand why ItalianConquest thinks that "from Tarentum southwards" is propaganda and "on the other side of the Gulf of Tarentum" is not. Propaganda of what? Anyway, to close this absurd discussion, I agree with removing the etymology-related sentence from the lead section altogether. It is in any case not necessary there, and there is already an Etymology section below. However ItalianConquest's edits were much more than that, introducing many errors in language and concept (like the invented "Napoletano+Siciliano" language). Those parts I would not re-introduce. --Yakme (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

What a burden your abusive propaganda is, Yakme. You should be stopped. You really don't understand that both Salento and Calabria are southwards from Tarentum?

Said purportedly written to lack full coherence which means written to end in a disorientation, yet having a much clearer sentence preceding. Now keep your vomit coming at me.. while you should be burning in acidic solutions and have all your edits cancelled. ItalianConquest (talk) 22:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Whoah, I think you may have crossed the line there, ItalianConquest. GoodDay (talk) 18:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

"There is no high speed rail"

This is incorrect, see https://www.italiarail.com/frecciargento where 10 daily high speed connections to Rome are mentioned. Cheers. --91.64.59.86 (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Why is the pronunciation given in Neapolitan, when this is Calabria?

This is a very common error on Wikipedia: Neapolitan is not spoken everywhere in Southern Italy. Neapolitan is the language of Naples. If you have an article on Calabria, please provide a transcription from one major Calabrese variety at the very least Ophoryce (talk) 11:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

The name “Neapolitan language” refers to the vast majority of Romance dialects spoken in mainland Southern Italy. Sicilian language includes dialects of Central and Southern Calabria. See Languages of Calabria. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 22:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

a more complete item and a section devoted to culture

I share a more complete item in italian, to be translated online with copy and paste: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabria 37.183.187.132 (talk) 12:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Punctuation

This article requires a thorough check regarding punctuation; if anyone would like to help me, I would appreciate it. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)