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The destruction by explosion of Thera

"The city of Knossos remained important through the classical and Roman periods, but in 1450 BC the volcano Santorini, a hundred kilometres away, blew its top in one of the biggest eruptions in recorded history. A tidal wave swept over Knossos, which was then right on the Cretan Coast, and the death blow to the Minoans was compounded by a devastating fire, scorch marks from which can still be seen on alabaster and gypsum blocks throughout the ruins."

I removed this. Too little. Marinatos had a great theory there. Now, however, the micro-evidence points to a date somewhat earlier than 1450. You can strain it down to the middle of the 16th at absolute latest but that still gives you gap. That there was a terrible destruction carrying away most of the settlements, which were coastal, with their fleets and probably the majority of their population, is fairly certain. When is another matter. Whether it is represented by any of the destructions at Knossos is still another matter. Knossos is not on the shore, you know. It is up on a height away from the shore. It is possible the destruction opened the region to being overrun by Mycenaean Greeks. Whether the Minoans recovered, how long it took, how, are all open questions. Since this article is about mainly Knossos rather than the destiny and details of the civilization as a whole, I am removing it from here. Perhaps revised it could go under Minoan civilization. I would suggest some ideas from different people need to be presented. Right now it is unreferenced, although I am sure you could pull up something by Marinatos. It would not be current, however. Ciao.Dave (talk) 15:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

last I heard, dendrochronology put the eruption at 1628 BC, but some think they can get closer by a year or two. It seems to have taken a few centuries for life at Cnossos to disappear completely. Fuficius Fango (talk) 12:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Minoan name of Knossos

I saw that an edit of mine was undone, twice. I tried to add the name a source. The source indicated that KU-NI-SU, doubtedly, meant "Knossos". But it was put as a possible translation, with a question mark. If you search "Linear A#Theories regarding language", the source is mentioned at the entry. Thus, it is a reliable source and the name can be written, as well, with a question mark, next to it.

http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/#10c. Here, is the source, for anyone wanting to check it out. 89.210.41.248 (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on your talk page, "I agree with the removal by user:IdreamofJeanie Per the source the proposed correlation is very doubtful. We don't need to include it, even with your question mark." Meters (talk) 00:04, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source says that the link is "very doubtful". The best you can say is that Knossos was "probably not" known as Ku-Ni-Su. We don't need to add things that are "probably not" true. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Very doubtful" correlation means that it does not merit inclusion. --Omnipaedista (talk) 11:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

82.78.123.145 has been re-adding this to the lede so I wanted to point them to this older discussion. But in addition to the problems noted above, the Palaeolexicon link they're using as a source is broken and I wasn't able to find any mention of "ku-ni-su" anywhere on the site. (Maybe it's been updated since the user last checked it?) Given the significant doubt that the term refers to Knossos, I think it would be extremely misleading to include it in the lede, even with a question mark.

That's the bad news. The good news is that I'm actually open to mentioning this toponym in body of the article, if it is properly contextualized and properly sourced. Proper contextualization would mean explaining why scholars think it could refer to Knossos, and also why they are skeptical. Proper sourcing would mean recent-ish published articles that are detailed enough to support that level of discussion. Botterweg14 (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We also don't say where "Knossos" comes from - presumably it was just the local name by the 19th century. Johnbod (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with the other commentators that this shouldn't be added given its lack of verifiability and the bad WP:TSI of asserting it without qualification; reverting the recent addition. Ifly6 (talk) 20:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Early Minoan and Pre Minoan Bronze Age

We move from the Neolithic period to the Minoan palatial period. The period from 3.200 BC up to 2.000 BC is forgotten. We should include "Early Bronze Age". Historyandsciencelearn (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]