Talk:Glossary of vexillology

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Why should animals and beasts always appear with the heads facing the flag-staff side? I can't sem to find an answer on the internet and my encyclopedia doesn't mention the rule. Thank you! Kealoha_777@yahoo.com

Definitions of Hoist, Fly

I'm confused. The definitions of hoist and fly used on this page don't seem to match those used elsewhere online (for example in the picture that I just added. Any thoughts? I'll go check the OED right now to see what it has to say about the matter. --Jacobolus 04:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You obviously didn't look hard enough. Here are some links:

I also have some flag books that use the hoist and fly definitions as described in the above links. – AxSkov (T) 07:22, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That all said, the picture of the flag shows the "hoist" being in the middle of the flag, not the part closest to the pole, as it should be. CsikosLo 13:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Vexillological symbol

Vexillological symbol was just merged into and redirected to this page. -Harmil 20:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Air force ensigns and war flags

It is not clear to me that air force ensigns are distinct from war flags. Please could we have a citation / clarification. Greenshed 00:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Though a broad reading of "war flag" as any variant national flag flown on land by a military organization would include air force ensigns as one type, it appears that a narrower reading is generally used by vexillologists -- at least as reflected by their main online forum, the Flags of the World website. I've been unable to find an air force ensign listed there that is tagged with the FIAV "war flag" symbol. Most aren't tagged with any of these symbols, suggesting such flags are outside the scope of that nomenclature. (One counter-example to this is Air Force Ensign 1931-1939 (Spain) at Flags of the World, but that's tagged as a "naval ensign", not a "war flag".) At least one prolific vexillologist, Zeljko Heimer, has proposed a set of 3x3 grid symbols to augment the 2x3 grids used to define war flags, etc.; the extra row would be for "air flags" (presumeably for civil, state, and war versions). Though this hasn't been officially endorsed, it is consistent with the idea that "war flag" is generally not intended to include air force ensigns.
All that being said, however, I wouldn't object to different example being used to illustrate the point that the 2x3 grid system doesn't fully describe all the distinctions made in practice by various countries. "War flag" is a confusing term! --ScottMainwaring 04:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Red =/= orange

I don't think there's such terminology that the word "red" should mean "orange" in vexillology, is there? If there isn't, the Image:Flag of Niger.svg should be modified, I guess, in accordance with the article. What do you think? Adam78 16:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National flag variants by use

Those little six-partitioned designs need some kind of explanation. CsikosLo 13:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nine years later and they still need an explanation!!! Haha. 192.173.144.3 (talk) 21:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid confusion

How would one define a symbol on a flag that is typically used in heraldry, but shares its name with a different symbol in flag design; e.g., if you want to put a heraldry-specific chevron on your flag, how do you differentiate it from the flag-specific chevron? Anyone have an idea? DerekMBarnes (talk) 06:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why was "Basic patterns in flags" removed?

I couldn't find any justification in article history or any discussion.82.181.237.48 (talk) 12:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Restored. Looks like some anonymous jackass/vandal removed it without reason. I came here from a terminology link and started looking into why the word I was linked from never appeared on the page. 76.92.189.96 (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for flying upside down missing.

I just tried to go to the reference for flying a flag upside down and it came up with an error.--JamesF0790 (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesF0790 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

define "ensign"

The word "ensign" is used quite a bit, and significantly, in § National flag variants by use, as well as on this talk page, but it's never defined. Needs doing! I'm going to put a pointer to this note in the appropriate place on Project Heraldry and vexillology. Thnidu (talk) 01:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Flag shapes

There are all sorts of different shapes used for flags, eg the red and white 'pennant' with 2 tails depicted in 'wild west' films of the American 7th cavalry. Given the variety of different ensign and pennant shapes, it would be useful if there was a section describing these, or at the very least, a section that gives the correct names to each shape. FreeFlow99 (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is covered by the "Flag types" section, which has entries for "Pennon or pennant", "Banderole or bannerol" etc (with links to fuller articles). As always on Wikipedia, there's room for improvement. GrindtXX (talk) 20:15, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Flag types is about the purpose and usage flags, and only incidentally covers shapes for those purposes. Anyone interested in flag shapes would have to look at each purpose, and even after that not all shapes would have been indicated, or specifically named. Flags used for different purposes might use the same shape while flags of different shapes might be used for the same purpose. I therefore feel that a section on Flag Shapes (in addition to the section on flag purpose 'type') would improve the article. Perhaps 'Flag Type' should be renamed 'Flag Purpose', 'Flag Role', or something similarly specific rather than 'type' which is too generic (could refer to flag material, or representation media (painted on wood, made of cloth, or displayed digitally), etc. FreeFlow99 (talk) 20:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tricolours

This article should ideally include definitions of and links to both Tricolour (flag) and Triband (flag). They could arguably be listed under "Basic patterns" – but the problem is that both terms are actually ambiguous, in that they include both vertical and horizontal forms. Any ideas on how best to deal with this? GrindtXX (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the Maldives - Green rectangle on red field, not a red border

The article for the Maldives flag says as much, and its especially apparent when looking at the flag history, but for the article on Border/Bordure and for this one, both cite the Maldives as an example of being a bordered flag. Sri Lanka or Montenegro could replace the Maldives for here, and the Maldives could just be removed from the Border page. I dont know why this is really bothering me so much, but it is, and I cant really do anything to fix it myself, never tried editing wiki pages. Simbach A. Vazo (talk) 22:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]