Talk:Yarilo

Russian meaning

In Novgorod Rusian sea vessles, Ladia, used to have an image of sun, Jarilo-sun, on their sails. Is it possible?--Grigoryev 03:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

In Russian yariy means intensive, and also yariy can be wheat - ярая пшеница.--Grigoryev 03:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

How do we get from Яр to Весна for Spring? Vivafelis 04:33, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, that "Russian version" is wrong. Jar means spring, year or season, from PIE *yer-oDoteper (talk) 09:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Jarovaya Pshenitsa - "Spring wheat" Yarilo (talk) 13:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

яровая пшеница - leteral meaning is the wheat planted/grown in the Spring. Hence the name yarovaya! Yarilo (talk) 13:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

MYTHOLOGY OF YARILO

I can find no evidence for the "myth" of Yarillo expressed in this article as having been born on the last day of February or noticed by Morena, the goddess of death, etc. I have searched the reference mentioned at the end of the article to no avail, as well as every authoritative source that I own which mentions Slavic paganism and mythology. None mentions this. I suggest that, at the very least, other sources ought to be used and more properly footnoted throughout the length of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.20.110 (talk) 22:00, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Please see the works of Radoslav Katcic and Vitomir Belaj onto the reconstruction of this myth. They examine various folk songs and traditions there with the sources mentioned. I suppose that they can be wrong with Jarilo being born on the last day of February, as the original Slavic New Year and the beginning of spring (birth of Jarilo and death of Morana) was celebrated during Spring equinox. 5.173.148.14 (talk) 12:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

New version of the article

Well, the article was expanded spectacularly, and kudos to Hier0phant for that. As a sidenote, I checked my books and found different interpretations. While his views may appear obsolete, Vasmer, for instance, declares Jarilo a mere straw effigy which was "formerly taken for a god". According to him, the real sun deity was Hors, so an explanation as to how these are related could have been helpful. Also, the equinine appearance of Jarilo seems to be quite a fringe theory, not generally accepted as yet. IIRC horses are usually associated with Veles rather than Jarilo, but I may err, of course. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Vasmer's theory takes into account only the Russian Jarilo straw-doll. But in Belarus Jarilo was a girl dressed as a man on a horse, and in various other countries, there were various other representations of Jarilo/Jare/Jura. I would not like to seem pushy, like I'm rubbing Katicic studies up someone's nose, or advertising Belaj's book here (God forbbid!), but the studies of two of them are the latest and among finest works on the field of Slavic mythology, so well founded and argumented that I doubt anyone could refute their interpretations. Of course, I (and they as well) may be wrong. You can never be sure in things like these. That is why, in every Slavic mythology article I edit, I always briefly state the names of scholars whose interpretations and reconstructions seem to be most correct and supported by most arguments. Even if their theories seem somewhat fringe (equine apperance, yes), I, as briefly as one can, try to explain how these theories came about and list arguments for them; I'm not stating it's a fact, I'm stating it's their theory. While I'm not suporter of fringe theories in any form, with Slavic mythology, I doubt we will ever be able to claim much of anything with certainity; thus, an argumented, educated guess is probably better than no guess at all. I think it is certainly better to list theories and speculations of people who spent half of their lives in Slavic studies, than to draw "facts" from Book of Veles and the like.

As for Hors, he was a Solar diety, he has its own article (which also needs some slight revisions), but I don't see what he has to do with Jarilo, who was a lunar diety. -Hierophant 20:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the Belarusian version of Jarilo is that the source it comes from is Drevlyansky's "Belarusian folk traditions" (1846), a book of disputed reliability. The doubts were expressed already in XIX century and are not at all discarded today. For example Levkievskaya in here recent work (Е.Е.Левкиевская. Механизмы создания мифологических фантомов в "Белорусских народных преданиях" П.Древлянского // Рукописи, которых не было. Подделки в области славянского фольклора, 2002) explicitly claims Drevlyansky's description of folk traditions to be a "clever and talented forgery"; some other researchers, on the other hand, rely on Drevlyansky's information. So, it is a complex matter which should better be explicitely discussed in the article. AntonBryl (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

redirects

Can someone make other common transliterations of Jarilo redirect here? I'm particularly talking about "Yarilo", but perhaps names like Yarosvit should also be included.Yarilo2 20:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Jarilo festivals in Bulgaria

[1]: I can't find any reliable source for the existence of Jarilo festivals in Bulgaria. --Nk 14:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been thoroughly reading this and all the related articles due to a short story based on the myth of Jarilo i'm trying to write.What would you say about a line linking Heros-Hors-Jarilo?I would appreciate other wikipeople helping me with some more info regarding life of the anicent slavs and there beliefs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.36.9.175 (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Serbo-Croatian???

First of all, there is no "Serbo-Croatian" language.

Second, names "Jura" and "Juraj" are Croatian names. There is no Serb with that name.

Third, "Đorđe" is Serb name. There is no Croat with that name.

Which again, bring us to conclusion that part: "Serbo-Croatian: Jura, Juraj or Đorđe" is very wrong. If there is one language, but names are exclusive for each nation, how can be logically possible to state that name od that deity comes in ONE, "Serbo-Croatian" language? (but as I mentioned earlier: there is no such language) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AurgelmirCro (talk • contribs) 08:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Split the article into "Jarilo" and "Jarovit"?

It seems that the link between the two is hypothetical, though probable. Would not it be better to have two separate articles, each of them mentioning the possibility of identity or common root, and a link to the other? Both Russian and Bulgarian wikis have it this way (two linked articles rather then one article). AntonBryl (talk) 13:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Sanskrit

Many of names in the Slavic Pantheon (those not connected with the Sarmatians) are strongly cognate with older Indo-European languages. Sanskrit "Jaraya" means "afterbirth" or "the molted skin of a snake"; and "Jara" is a very thoroughly developed root for "aged", which relates to the (also Sanskrit) "Ja" of "birth". This meaning cloud seems to segue nicely into "year", "new year" and other cyclic time meanings. But "Jara" also carries strong connotations of "aging lover". The connection with St. George is not casual, i think; it's likely that George usurped what might have been Jarilo's (et al) "throw off the yoke of the old dragons/snakes" symbolism entirely. Jove, Jehova, and Zeus- parallel developments? Klasovsky (talk) 03:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

• Jove and Zeus are reltes to Indo-European *Dyēus, "god"/"main sky god". Jehova is unrelated here at all, since Hebrew language is Semitic and not Indo-European. And Jarilo 's name come from Slavic *yar, which has the meaning of "spring","bright" or "fierce". --Aranelle (talk) 14:28, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Split Myesyats from Yarilo

Mesjac-Knjaz (Księżyc) is a god of moon, originated from Proto-Indo-European lunar deity (*mḗh₁n̥s). He has nothing to do with Yarilo, who is a deity of spring fertility (from Proto-Slavic *jaro "spring"), and there are no parallels between the two. If Jarilo was a lunar deity, they were probably not identical with Mesjac at least to the degree of conflating them into one article. Or I can be wrong? 46.113.4.38 (talk) 16:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)