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The result was Withdrawn, speedy keep‎. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Dixie & Anne Leavitt Family Foundation

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This organization fails WP:NORG. The only source that is WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS is this NY Times article; the other sources are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES ([1], [2], [3]); WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS ([4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]); or non-WP:INDEPENDENT sources ([11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]). The article is also confirmed paid WP:PROMO. A WP:BLAR as an AtD was reverted by an IP, bringing us here. I propose a community consensus to restore a ~~redirect~~ to Dixie L. Leavitt; this will preserve the page history should additional sourcing emerge to support standalone notability under NORG in the future. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is lots of WP:SIGCOV accusing the foundation of corruption with finances. For example: [17], [18], [19] These added to the sources already in the article should pass WP:ORGCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep; will withdraw per 4meter4's sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [20]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Flag of Pichincha

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Contested draft; in fact, it was moved to mainspace without improvement, and improved minimally. A before search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I searched in both Spanish and English, and the only sources that came up were a few passing mentions in google books and government websites or self published blogs. I couldn't find any usable WP:SIGCOV. A possible WP:ATD would be a redirect/selective merge to Pichincha Province.4meter4 (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ted Neville

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As other editors have pointed out, this article does not appear to meet WP:NPOL. The majority of the article is focused on his unsuccessful attempts at political offices and his views. Though he has been mentioned in some press, I don't believe this constitutes as WP:SIGCOV as its regarding their campaigning. TheBritinator (talk) 23:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral. He gets passing mentions in these books and journals: [21], [22], [23], [24], and [25]. He has some coverage in [26], [27], [28] He gets attention in this report: The use of racist, antisemitic and xenophobic arguments in political discourse by the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance. He clearly has been discussed for his controversial views on immigration and is a well known conservative voice in Irish politics. I could see an argument made either way on this one. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not sure he meets political notability, more of a spokesman. Could be re-creacted if he wins an election in 2024; otherwise, just a rather outspoken individual saying things that get attention, but not really doing anything we'd need for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. For the reasons raised previously at Talk:Ted Neville and per the nomination. Namely that the subject doesn't meet WP:NPOL (has never held elected political office of any kind). And doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV (what coverage there is of the subject, it either relates to statements made in their political campaigning/electioneering/etc, and/or is trivial passing mentions [barely a mention of their name] in primary sources [minutes of debates/submissions] relating to their involvement in amateur sports orgs). Nothing we wouldn't expect for any other campaigning political activist/candidate. Guliolopez (talk) 11:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Lun Eve Lin

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Contested draftification. Autobiography of a lesser known fashion designer. Clear COI issues, and a lack of notability is also evident. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. Just looking in the external links she has been the feature in stories by the BBC and Elle. For a fashion designer those don't at all seem trivial. I don't doubt there may be COI issues, but the sourcing already in the article as a cited reference or in the external links seems to meet WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pramod Dwivedi

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has been deleted twice before on wp:notability grounds. Of the references, the majority are links to something he wrote, one is a bio by his workplace, a few don't even mention him, and several have a brief mention, a single sentence quote or listing of him. The only reference that doesn't fall into one of the above is #13 (circa 11/25/24) which is a gazette medium length interview of him for Covid advice. North8000 (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Doesn't meet academic notability (not a tenured position), not meeting GNG either, article just appears to be a CV at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hanna Harrell

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Non-notable figure skater; does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

White River, Indiana

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Here is why I don't trust Baker very far. The GNIS entry comes from a misread label on the maps: you can see that it's the wrong font for a settlement. Baker calls it a village but there is another town (East Mount Carmel) just to the east, actually on land even. This is seriously wrong and obviously not real. Mangoe (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV of a community and the existence of the actual river complicates finding information about this. starship.paint (talk / cont) 07:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Call a General Election

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This is a really recent (literally ongoing as I write this) event (if you can call it that) and I think it falls under WP:NOTNEWS, and realistically WP:NEVENT. A general election actually being called due to this is also vanishingly unlikely. In the event that happened, yeah, it would be notable, but as it stands, not really. Archimedes157 (talk) 22:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The petition has attracted sweeping media coverage, and is statistically one of the highest petitions in the website's history. I think it has significance and shows some form of public opinion towards the government. Icaldonta (talk) 23:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: NOTNEWS, this is more suited for a Wikinews article. If this leads to an election, fine, but as of now it's just a news story. Literally dropped less than a week ago, may not even be a thing in six months. Way TOOSOON. Oaktree b (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:EVENTCRIT.4meter4 (talk) 01:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Clearly just news unlikely to have lasting significance. At most there can be a couple sentences at Next United Kingdom general election. Reywas92^Talk 04:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it has a row in the table at UK Parliament petitions website#Petitions with more than 500,000 signatures which is sufficient - only one other petition in that table has its own article (Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition) at present this falls under WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTNEWS. Not sure a redirect is appropriate with the current wording. Orange sticker (talk) 09:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If more petitions had their own article, it would make sense to keep this page. The petition simply isn’t notable enough. Agree with above comments. DWMemories (talk) 10:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HBR Layout metro station

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Train stattion that doesn't exist yet. Even if it existed already, train stations are required to meet GNG and there is not even 1 source that is even near GNG. North8000 (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mattin

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, and the external links in the article don't help establish notability (as they're either Mattin's website or interviews). Interestingly, the article was created by User:Mattata, whose only mainspace edits involve creating this article. toweli (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is some coverage in The Wire, albeit paywalled. From the magazine's index, issue 267 (2006) looks to have the most coverage of the subject. More recently, there was a book review a year ago, in issue 476. AllyD (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft keep, I would be inclined to delete normally, due to the probable conflict of interest noted by the nominator, the sources shown by AllyD appear to display notability. -Samoht27 (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Keep (thanks to sources found by 4meter4). However, the article does not reflect what is in the sources, and instead has a dopey list of collaborations which do not provide notability. I'll add a small amount but this article needs some serious work. Previously: I did find two books with some content: 1) Audio Culture, Revised Edition: Readings in Modern Music. United States: Bloomsbury Publishing, 2017 - pp. 406-409. 2) Kádár, Dániel Z.. Politeness, Impoliteness and Ritual: Maintaining the Moral Order in Interpersonal Interaction. N.p.: Cambridge University Press, 2017 (one page). ~~I don't think this rises to notability at this time.~~ He did write a chapter in a book but it doesn't seem to be a book that has had an impact. Lamona (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. There is a detailed section on the artist extending from pages 88-97 in Graham, Stephen (2020). Sounds of the Underground: A Cultural, Political and Aesthetic Mapping of Underground and Fringe Music. University of Michigan Press. ISBN 9780472902378. The same author covers the artist in a different and significant way in Graham, Stephen (2023). "Mattin and Burning Star Core/C. Spencer Yeh". Becoming Noise Music: Style, Aesthetics, and History. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9781501378676. There is also coverage of him in Kim-Cohen, Seth (2016). "No Depth A Call for Shallow Listening". Against Ambience and Other Essays. Bloomsbury Publishing. p. 131, 139-143. ISBN 9781501310348., Bey, Thomas; Bailey, William (2012). "Silence is Sexy: The Other "Extreme" Music". MicroBionic (revised and Expanded 2nd Edition). Belsona Books Limited. ISBN 9780615736624. His work is also engaged with in multiple chapters by different authors in Halligan, Benjamin; Goddard,, Michael; Spelman, Nicola, eds. (2013). Resonances: Noise and Contemporary Music. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9781441146137.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) There is also coverage/critical engagement of him as a writer on music in these journals [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], This book engages with him as both a musician and music philosopher across many pages. These in addition to the materials presented by Lamona are enough to meet WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 11:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I was able to add a very small amount (one ref) and did some copy editing. The sources, while some art substantial, are very post-modern, a language I do not understand. I hope someone can add more to the article. Lamona (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nurida Gadirova Ateshi

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Does not pass WP:GNG. REFBOMB and promotional concerns…All of the sources are not adequate for notability. Kadı Message 21:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence of passing Prof or GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NAUTHOR, and WP:ACADEMIC.4meter4 (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Uno

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the others are some type of listing. (It's not broadcast television channel.) Tagged by others for sourcing issues since march North8000 (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Italia.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Miss Intercontinental titleholders

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This pageant has been repeatedly deemed non-notable in over a dozen prior AfDs.

It's time for these recreations that flew under the radar to meet the same fate. And let's title blacklist too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This page provides a detailed list of the specific competition, which serves as a valuable resource for those interested in the event's history and significance. The competition has received considerable coverage from reputable media outlets, underscoring its relevance and public interest. Additionally, the pageant has recently gained attention due to its growing prominence and the achievements of its notable winners. These factors collectively establish the notability and encyclopedic value of the page, adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines for content inclusion. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 21:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and WP:SALT. Fails WP:NLIST. While I do see coverage of individual winners in individual years in reliable sources, I couldn't find any coverage on this pageant as a whole (ie big picture), and along with that, I could find zero sources discussing the winners as a group or a set. We need at least a couple sources directly talking about winners of the pageant as a whole in order to pass our criteria for lists.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I disagree with the recommendation to "Delete and WP:SALT" for several reasons. First, WP:NLIST does not strictly require coverage of the winners as a group or set if the pageant itself is notable and individual winners are notable. The list serves as an organizational and navigational tool, especially when individual winners have coverage in reliable sources. While it’s true that there may not be explicit sources discussing the winners as a "set," the consistent coverage of individual winners and the pageant across multiple years establishes a clear recognition of the group collectively. Secondary sources may not always explicitly address groups in these terms unless discussing specific trends, but that does not negate the relevance or value of the list. Moreover, the purpose of such a list is not solely to meet a narrow interpretation of WP:LISTN but to provide a comprehensive and accessible summary of verified information about the pageant's history. This aligns with Wikipedia’s goal of offering useful navigation and context. Instead of deleting the page, improvements could be made by better organizing existing sources, expanding the introduction to include commentary on the pageant’s significance, or adding historical context if relevant sources can be found. Finally, the suggestion to salt the page is premature and counterproductive. WP:SALT should be a last resort, used only when there is no potential for improvement. Deletion and salting overlook the collaborative nature of Wikipedia and the potential for incremental improvements. Addressing these concerns through constructive edits is a more appropriate and productive approach.🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 07:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport MotoGP

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. Two are their own website and the other is some type of program listing. Tagged by others since Sept 2024. North8000 (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sky Sport Arena

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the other are some type of listing. It's not a television stattion. It appears that it is some type of content which is available for streaming. North8000 (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruger LC carbine

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Disputed WP:BLAR but this article fails our WP:NOT policy, it is little more than a catalogue listing for two of the related guns by the company. As the BLAR was disputed, I proposed redirect to Sturm, Ruger & Co.#Products. Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I object. I created the page for other to edit it as they wish. I oppose the deletion of the LC carbine wikipedia page outright. Stormm001 (talk) 20:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Needs sourcing... Some coverage in the NRA magazine [34] and in Guns magazine [35]. The NRA would certainly be biased, but I see no reason it would not be a RS. Oaktree b (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Minera Valparaíso

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Fails WP:NCORP, no sources cited in the article. Created by a sockpuppet, see previous AfD. I don't know if WP:G5 applies anymore since it's over 10 years. Mika1h (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leya Kırşan

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Of the two blue-linked items that she was in, one article had just a list item and one didn't even mention her. Of the 5 references, one just had he age, for two there was nothing there (404) and two just listed a few IMDB type factoids. Previously tagged for WP:Notability by a different NPP reviewer. North8000 (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If you have a look at the corresponding article in Turkish, you can see that she's in the main cast of various notable productions. I don't have time to improve this right now but maybe Draftify or Redirect to Payitaht:_Abdülhamid#Season_2_2 (mentioned there) and interested users can expand either the draft or the page by reverting the R when they're confident they have enough. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 19:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: and expand with Turkish sources; meets WP:NACTOR With various significant roles in notable productions. -Mushy Yank. 10:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly passes WP:NACTRESS criteria 1 with multiple notable roles in looking at the Turkish wikipedia pages (which have many more blue linked TV/Film work because obviously the Turkish wikipedia is going to have better coverage of Turkish TV/film). Searching in google news there is lots of Turkish-language media coverage of this actress and her work; enough to pass WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 12:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per all the keep votes above. Subject passes wp:gng, just dont have it as english sources. Kaizenify (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indra Rajya Laxmi Pragya Puraskar

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of notability under GNG or SNG. Appears to be some type of award but there are no sources which really cover it much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for historic reasons. There are plenty of notable people from Nepal who were recognized after getting this award. It has been stopped because of royal name attached to it after Nepal entered into the republic era. Plenty of sources are available if you search in native language (i.e. Nepali - इन्द्रराज्यलक्ष्मी प्रज्ञा–पुरस्कार) nirmal (talk) 04:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable national award established by a Head of state. We generally keep awards with national significance.4meter4 (talk) 13:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeriq

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. He is the still an up-and-coming artist who has not been gain significant coverage to warrant a separate article. Some of the sources cited in the article are just press releases, others are unreliable blogs. The only promising source in the article, The Cable Lifestyle, isn't independent of the subject. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The Sun Nigeria is a potentially reliable source, but none of the other references contribute to significant coverage. Maybe just too soon. Bearian (talk) 05:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lee Feinswog

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Delete – article has no substantive references, and my WP:BEFORE turned up no decent independent secondary sources to establish or support the subject’s notability with respect to WP:JOURNALIST or WP:AUTHOR. He does run https://volleyballmag.com/ which is cited in some 50+ Wikipedia articles, and if that is sufficient for notability, I would happily rescind my recommendation to delete. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can only find one book review for HoopDaddy [36], which isn't enough to pass AUTHOR. Rest of the sourcing isn't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep for now. I've added some sources from Newspapers.com, I'll admit they aren't super strong but they were quick to add so it's a weak keep for now. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 00:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dachuna

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contested PROD. a female Cornish Dachuna is only known from one singular mention by Hugh Candidus in a list of saints' resting places. i checked the Blair source as i have irl access to it, and the heading is "Summary list of late, non-English, or dubious saints who appear in the resting-place lists". according to Nicholas Orme's Saints of Cornwall,

The reference is presumably to Bodmin Priory, but no evidence survives from there about these saints, apart from Petroc. ... Dachuna is equally elusive in Cornwall, and a similar name in Ireland is male not female. ... In short, there is no certain Cornish context for these names; perhaps Hugh Candidus or his source conflated two places and ascribed saints to Bodmin who rightly belonged elsewhere.

there is no evidence that a female Cornish Dachuna ever existed. she is only known from one very dubious passing mention in a medieval source. fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 15:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose Some of nominator's reasoning/historical commentary is a bit misguided, a lot of prominent subjects rely on a single source, Beowulf for instance is arguably one of those. Whether the saint itself ever existed as a person, who knows, but the cult did; like arguing Zeus didn't exist so the god's article should be deleted. Even the nomination shows that the subject is of scholarly interest. The saint's cult and commemoration are recorded in one of the major sources of information we have for early English saints. The article is a stub and needs more work, but that doesn't mean the subject isn't notable either. Ironically if the nominator had expended the same energy expanding the article as trying to get it deleted it might not be a stub, some of the info used above could be in the article in expounded form. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that's not what i'm saying, and is entirely beside the point. there is nothing to add to this article, and there is no evidence beyond Hugh Candidus' brief mention that she existed and was buried at Bodmin, let alone that she had a cult or commemoration - scholarly sources, including the one you cited in the article, agree on that. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 15:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that's not what i'm saying I don't know specifically what 'that' means here, but everything I've said addresses the points you've raised. there is nothing to add to this article How do you know what can be added to the article? Your reasoning is misguided, just because there is only one source doesn't mean there is nothing more to be said. It's also clearly wrong as a statement, you could have added the quote above to the article, for instance, instead of using it here. Again, misspent effort. An established, culted medieval saint is intrinsically notable and there will be more scholarship, either material existing but unused or in the future. I find the logic and motivation here alarming, you would clear out so many important articles on Wikipedia. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this is not an "established, culted medieval saint". that is what the very sparse sourcing says - that this was probably a mistake on Hugh's part. and i know that there is nothing to add because i've looked for good sourcing on this saint, and have come up very short. Dachuna does not even have her own entry in the very, very thorough and authoritative Orme book, nor does she have any dedications, known feast days, or folklore. the only thing we know about this supposed saint is where she was supposedly buried, from one singular passing mention. please do not speculate about my motivations, either. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 15:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might be useful if people here who aren't historians stop commenting on the historicity of the saint, you don't know what you are talking about. Because a commentator speculates that it might be a mistake by Hugh, that's not the last word, we do not have satisfactory let alone exhaustive source coverage of religion in 12th century Cornwall. Also if you did have any kind of expertise on Insular saints cults you'd know that they frequently spawn dopplegangers, gender changes, etc, etc, doesn't mean they are not notable. St Kentigern of Glasgow was likely a gender change, St Ninian of Whithorn is likely a doppleganger/invention (based on recent scholarship). Also, you've made your motivation clear, you are posting here because you want this deleted, right, what's there for me to 'speculate' about? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Deacon of Pndapetzim, can you give us your WP:THREE best sources that would show that the subject meets the notability guidelines at WP:GNG? That would help bring this discussion back on track. -- asilvering (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Hugh Candidus and add mention of these dubious saints there as an AtD. (edit conflict) I concur with Sawyer's assessment here that a full article on an almost certainly non-existent saint should not warrant an article when coverage has been so sparse and exclusively focused on the likely falsity of the original claim. However, saint articles have a tendency to reappear due to the general assumption of notability many editors believe they have. A redirect that indicates the spurious origin may stave off any misguided efforts to revive the page. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It might be useful if people here who aren't historians stop commenting on the historicity of the saint, neither of you know what you are talking about. I don't mean to sound patronising, but the source problems here and the historical issues surrounding the evolution of saints cults are very complex. Also, why would you redirect it to Hugh Candidus? Surely if you were going to delete it you'd just redirect it to List of Cornish saints or List of Anglo-Saxon saints?Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 15:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Funny you should say that, as I am a historian. You have managed to be patronizing and seem to be taking this AfD far too personally. Your redirect suggestions are inappropriate targets due to the unlikely historicity and singular reference of this purported saint. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not taking it personally at all. Why are the redirect suggestions 'inappropriate'? Listen, if you want to call yourself a historian because you did a history degree I'm not going to argue, but my points stands, these issues are specialised and complex, I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings but this is a public encyclopedia used by millions of people and the lack of relevant competence is important....but unfortunately if you don't recognise it yourself pointing it out any further is likely to be a waste of time on my part. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - especially if the information from Orme's Saints of Cornwall is added (which it should be). Yes, it's a sparse article, but that's not exactly unusual in medieval subjects. It is a bit of a borderline case, but yes, there does appear enough for me to consider this worth an article. I do not consider Hugh Candidus a good redirect target - that would imply that Hugh had some connection to this purported saint, where he is just the source. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it might be worth noting that you were canvassed (diff) for participation in this AfD? ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please note my reply at Deacon's talk page - here addressing my knowing about this AfD before Deacon posted on my talk page. (I've long had Deacon's TP watchlisted - you might note the yearly Saturnalia posts that date back many years for him (and most everyone else where I have their userpages watchlisted) Ealdgyth (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, you are approaching this the wrong way, we are people with long-established interests in these articles. Ealdgyth isn't going to be 'canvassed' by anyone, let alone me. When I last checked she was one of the main contributors to articles on English Christianity. 10os articles in which she has an interest could be negatively affected by this selective attempt to impose deletionist maximalism on a relevant article. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ealdgyth: Your response is a bit ridiculous when you only !voted here after being canvassed, failed to acknowledge that, and have not !voted in an AfD in over a year (and only five in the last five years). @Deacon of Pndapetzim: you explicitly sought the aid of a friendly editor, which is canvassing. I'll take this up with WP:AN next. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please WP:AGF. I will mention the discussion to anyone I think might be interested, I had no idea if Ealdgyth would agree with me or not, I didn't want this discussion to have no input from knowledgable people & just be me and the two of you. If I'd wanted to perform some wicked evil conspiracy on you I could have emailed her or lots of other people & you wouldn't have had a clue, seriously get a grip . Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

in the interest of fairness, i have added what little is available from Orme's book. i do not have access to the Jankulak book so i have no idea if there's more information in there. i stand by my nomination for deletion, however; i do not believe this is enough for a standalone article. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak delete~~ Redirect What's in the article right now really looks like, at best, passing mention in a single book. I would suggest that, unless significant improvement can be made to citation quality, there's not enough here to support a separate article. It's never going to be more than a stub. Suggest merging any relevant information into Saint Petroc. Simonm223 (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my !vote to redirect. I'm somewhat on the fence about what would be the best redirect target. Simonm223 (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Petroc seems like a reasonable merge/redirect target to me. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A single passing mention is not enough to establish notability, despite some votes based on hypotheticals provided above. You don't need to be a historian, despite what one user claims, to realize that a lack of sources is worth considering. I do not have any objection to a redirect given the provided context. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per ATD, but not to Candidus or S. Petroc—where it would be UNDUE to contain what we have on a discrete saint, but rather to List of Anglo-Saxon saints, where Dachuna already has a slot. A list also created by The Historian™, so please present your diplomas on the door before commenting :) SerialNumber54129 14:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
didn't realize she already was listed there; i've been working on sorting out the Cornish saints topic, not A-S saints, so i hadn't noticed. i concur that that's probably the best redirect target ... sawyer * he/they * talk 14:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Serial Number 54129 has raised a good question about whether Dachuna's origin there should be "British", "Anglo-Saxon", or "Saxon", which the learned historians here may be interested in weighing in on. CMD (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it is a good question, and as a not-learned not-historian i have some nonsense to contribute. Orme says Dachuna's name, unique in Cornwall/England, is similar to some saints found in Ireland, but that connection may be purely superficial. as she's just a (dubious) name in a list, it's not clear whether she would have been Cornish (Celtic-speaking) or Anglo-Saxon. "British" would probably be the least OR-y. at the same time, whether the A-S saints list should only include standalone articles is another question - i'd probably say yes, but i don't plan on working on that list for the time being and it's a bit out of scope of this AfD. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 10:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sawyer777:, I apologize for picking on your redirect suggestion! Was not meant to be a personal criticism at all. Sorry! SerialNumber54129 10:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh that's not at all how i read it! you're so good! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 10:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect but to a different target than suggested thus far: St Petroc's Church, Bodmin. Every secondary source on Dachuna refers only to Candidus' passing mention, so the only thing we can verify about her(?) is that she was said by Candidus to be buried at Bodmin Priory, where she was an associate of Petroc. I've added a line and reference about Credan, Medan and Dachuna on my proposed target, so it's a suitable redirect. This avoids the WP:UNDUE problems of redirecting to Candidus or Petroc and the identification problems of placing a Cornish saint on a list of Anglo-Saxons. Regardless of where it's redirected, there's no plausible grounds to keep this as a standalone page. The sourcing would indicate "delete," but I think Pbritti is right that a redirect would help guard against well-intentioned efforts to recreate the page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i wasn't expecting such lively (can you call it lively?) debate about where to redirect this. i think you make the best case so far. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 18:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Ealdgyth and noting that inclusion on the Candidus list is itself adequately notable. The article itself explains the limitations of the source material. For medieval women, there are never a lot of sources. We also don’t seem to have anything like a “list of Saint’s resting places” on Wiki, which would actually be a somewhat plausible redirect to move the contents for stubs like this, but given we don’t, the content itself is worth preserving. Also must note we have already spent more bandwidth discussing this RfD than it is taking up on “teh wiki”. Montanabw^(talk) 20:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For medieval women, there are never a lot of sources. that's just... not true at all. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per SN. There seems to be simply not enough to write an article due to the one primary source. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Anglo-Saxon saints where the same content is contained pretty much word for word. We don't need to replicate the content in a separate page. Oppose redirect to St Petroc's Church, Bodmin and Hugh Candidus. 4meter4 (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think there's broad consensus to redirect. The question is to where. So far the suggestions are:

So I guess the question is which of these three redirects would be the ideal one? Simonm223 (talk) 16:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandre Oliva

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Fails WP: N. The only sources I could find about him are tied to the FSF, GNU, or make passing mentions of his name in routine coverage that is almost entirely about Linux-libre. Since notability is not transitive, this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This article was dePRODed on the basis that he received a "prestigious award". This "prestigious award" is given by the FSF, which is an organization that the article and the PROD rationale makes very clear that he is a part of. Regardless, this was dePRODed without the addition of independent sources, so this goes to AfD. HyperAccelerated (talk) 14:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: nothing for this person found, there is an author Alexandra Oliva, which isn't this person. I don't see any acceptable sources used either, as the nom explains. Oaktree b (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Oliva clearly meets items 1. and 2. of WP:ANYBIO ("has received a well-known and significant award" plus "has made a widely recognized contribution ... in a specific field"). The fact that he is part of the Free Software movement does not diminish the merit of his award in any way. It just stands as proof that his life-long contributions were acknowledged by his peers.

He is cited as reference or acknowledged in several books in a period spanning almost three decades:

Fourth International Conference on Configurable Distributed Systems - Proceedings, by IEEE Computer Society (1998)
The International Conference on Distributed Computing Systems, by Mohamed G. Gouda (1999)
Unix backup and recovery, by W. Curtis Preston (1999)
Windows to Linux Migration Toolkit - Your Windows to Linux Extreme Makeover, by David Allen (2004)
Backup & Recovery - Inexpensive Backup Solutions for Open Systems, by W. Curtis Preston (2007)
Actor-network Theory and Technology Innovation - Advancements and New Concepts, by Arthur Tatnall (2011)
Cybersecurity - A Self-Teaching Introduction, by C. P. Gupta, K. K. Goyal (2020)
Coding Democracy - How Hackers Are Disrupting Power, Surveillance, and Authoritarianism, by Maureen Webb (2021)
A Propriedade Intelectual do Software - análise histórica e crítica, by Rodrigo L Canalli (2021)
Introduction to Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), by Yash Pratap Singh Narwaria, Dr. Maulik K Rathod, Anindita Dutta Roy, Tanmay Agrawal (2024)

He was one of the co-founders of Free Software Foundation Latin America [37] in 2005, and still is one of its board members [38]. As a promoter of free software, he has given dozens of lectures in Brazil (this governamental site lists just a few) and abroad. —capmo (talk) 00:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledgements or mentions in books are not a measure of notability under Wikipedia’s guidelines. Do not throw random citations and random lectures at us and hope that one or two of them sticks. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The award that you keep citing is tied to an organization Oliva is actively part of—it is not an independent honor and does not count at all towards notability. His membership in the Free Software movement does not establish notability either, because notability is not transitive. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have shown absolutely nothing to demonstrate that WP: ANYBIO is met, but even if you did, the guideline very clearly states that "meeting one or more [of the standards] does not guarantee that a subject should be included". Show me significant coverage from sources that meet WP: RS, or this content doesn’t belong here. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Oliva also meets item 3. of WP:ANYBIO, having an entry at the National Library of Brazil [39]. —capmo (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quit bludgeoning. This is not a "standard national biographical dictionary". It's a database of authors (who might have authored books that are preserved in the National Library?). Either way, it's certainly not biographical, because the page only contains the title of one work, and it's certainly not standard. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, please come back to us with reliable sources that cover the subject in-depth. Or don't. You seem to be ignoring this request (or anything I have to say, for that matter), so I don't really know why I'm still entertaining any of this. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link I provided is from the Brazilian National Authority Control, maintained by the National Library (Biblioteca Nacional, the bn in the link). Even the entry on Machado de Assis, one of Brazilian greatest writers, returns just a couple of lines [40]. What I'm trying to say with this is that in this case, length is no parameter for the subject's importance. Being in the list is enough proof of notability. —capmo (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - a made up in one day award for up and coming but ultimately run of the mill activist, writer, and graduate student . Bearian (talk) 06:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Made up in one day award? This is ridiculous! It's the FSF Free Software Awards! Dozens of people and organizations (including Wikipedia itself, what an irony!) have been granted it. Are you going to propose the deletion of their articles too? —capmo (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been explained over and over again, in the PROD, AfD rationale, and multiple delete votes: the FSF award doesn’t establish notability because it’s from an organization that the subject is a board member of. Your behavior is rapidly devolving into bludgeoning. I'm asking you kindly to WP: LISTEN to us or let the discussion move forward. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're falsifying the facts to reinforce your arguments. He received his award in 2016; he only became a board member of FSF in 2019! I'll quote below a paragraph from the announcement so you can get your facts straight:

A longtime free software activist and founder of FSF Latin America, Oliva brings decades of experience in the free software movement to the FSF board. In the community, he is held in especially high regard for being the chief developer of the GNU Linux-libre project, a version of the kernel Linux that removes all nonfree bits from the kernel's source code, enabling users around the world to run fully free versions of the GNU/Linux operating system, and is a program of vital importance in the cause for software freedom. For his deep commitment and tireless work in free software, Oliva was the recipient of the 2016 Advancement of Free Software award given annually by the FSF. Aside from being a contributor to the GNU Project since 1993, Oliva is an accomplished public speaker and author on the importance of software freedom.

I really don't see the purpose in deleting an article on someone that's clearly notable in his field. You ask me to "listen" to you, but you don't seem to be willing to do the same. Please do what you kindly suggested me and just let the discussion move forward. We already know your opinion, let's hear from others, please. —capmo (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and the very first sentence of your quote says that he founded FSF Latin America, which existed all the way back in 2005 (cite). He was affiliated with the FSF when he received the award, so the award does not count towards notability and the article should be deleted. Thanks and goodbye. HyperAccelerated (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and by the way, accusing someone of "falsifying facts" because they disagree with you isn't funny. I was hoping you'd be willing to discuss this civilly, but those hopes seem misplaced. I'm telling you now, drop the stick. HyperAccelerated (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FOURTEEN EDITS in a row? Have you ever heard of the Preview buttom?? ;) You seem to be taking this too seriously, try to relax a bit! Now regarding your other question: FSF and FSFLA are "sister" organizations, completely independent from one another. Again you were proven wrong in your assumption. —capmo (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not how this works. You don't get to accuse people of acting in bad faith and then pretend like you did nothing wrong by telling them to "relax" with a winky face. This page with FSFLA's constitution says that they "act in joint concert with the other FSFs (Free Software Foundations) to promote and defend Free Software". They're not independent. Again, thanks and goodbye. HyperAccelerated (talk) 18:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep @HyperAccelerated I think your tone is bordering on WP:UNCIVIL, and frankly I think you aren't being receptive or fair to new evidence presented to you by capmo. Take it down a notch. You can disagree without being rude or combative. In looking at google books the book from MIT Press mentions Oliva and his 2016 award but unfortunately the coverage gets cut off and is not completely viewable: see page 291 He is also thanked for his contributions to several publications: [41], [42], [43]; and mentioned in this book on cybersecurity. Here are a few books he is cited in: [44], [45] (there are several more like these) I think this lends credence to A. the significance of the FSF Free Software Award (which is erroneously being dismissed as the subject was not attached to the FSF at the time of the award but worked for a separate independent sister organization) and B. Oliva's position as a well known figure within his field. What these don't do is demonstrate WP:SIGCOV. However, the national library entry, which HyperAccelerated in bad faith dismissed as WP:BLUDGEONING, is significant to the point that I think it pushes this into the keep category. A biographical entry (even a brief one) in a national library reference resource makes a person encyclopedic under the spirit of WP:5P1. Period.4meter4 (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for voting. I've been more than fair to capmo, especially since they accused me of lying without remorse. I'd be much nicer if they were new, but they've been around for 19 years and should know better. I also don't understand why you think I've acted in bad faith at any point during this AfD. Go to my Talk page if you think there's a problem -- I'm not going to litigate this here. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FSF and FSF Latin America are not independent entities. There is a quote from FSF Latin America's constitution that I wrote above that shows that they operate in "joint concert" with one another. Aside from putting this sentence on a bright neon sign at the top of the Burj Khalifa, can you tell me how I can make it more clear that these two organizations are not independent? HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The national library reference is a database. It is a directory, not a collection of biographies or an encyclopedia. It contains the name of one work that I assume Oliva wrote.

This creates a double-bind. Either:

1. BN is a database, not a biographical dictionary. It doesn't count towards notability.

2. BN is actually a collection of biographies and nothing that Oliva has done is notable enough to be put in his biography. That is a very strong signal we should delete this article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The rest of your sources appear to be mentions and don't demonstrate significant coverage. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your interpretation of the National Library source. You don't need to WP:BLUDGEON the process by repeating your arguments (see how I used that in the right context; ie a repeated opinion). I think I already made it clear that I agreed the sources don't constitute SIGCOV, so we agree there. I can accept your explanation on the lack of independence between the FSF and its sister organization, but the coverage in a book published by MIT seems to indicate the award has some prestige all the same. Unfortunately it is not clear whether that book has more to say on Oliva as the next page is not viewable. It may (or may not) have SIGCOV. This is a borderline call in my opinion, and I've modified to a "weak keep" based on your feedback. We'll see what others have to say. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why you think I've bludgeoned -- the double bind makes a new point -- but I don't think it's important. Thanks anyway. HyperAccelerated (talk) 17:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Bludgeoning is where someone attempts to force their point of view through a very high number of comments, such as contradicting every viewpoint that is different from their own. Typically, this means making the same argument over and over and to different people in the same discussion." You already made the same analysis on the national library source above. I can read the discussion. Repeating arguments made earlier after editors who express an opposing opinion is the specific behavior addressed on the bludgeoning page. I normally wouldn't have pointed it out (since you only did it once instead of repeatedly) but I wanted to draw your attention to the type of behavior one should look for when citing WP:BLUDGEON. When you cited it earlier, capmo was presenting a brand new source not previously examined. It wasn't a repeating argument, so it couldn't be considered bludgeoning. However, when you repeated your analysis of the library source after my keep vote, that is bludgeoning because it is a repetitive argument being made with a different editor. Understand?4meter4 (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not use this page as a platform to write about anything besides whether or not this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Seriously: Stop the bludgeoning.
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Comment: I've read the wall of text above, and I'm still not swayed enough to change my !vote... Primary sourcing doesn't help. Oaktree b (talk) 01:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Thanks to everyone who has jumped into the discussion, and to Doczilla for relisting it. Some editors have cited a lack of independent sources in the article. I'll try to fill this gap by presenting links from several sources that could help establish the subject's notability.
1. Oliva is cited on page 7 of the 2013 São Paulo State University entrance exam. An article written by him was used as the base text for questions 16 through 20 of the exam.[46]
2. SERPRO is the largest Information Technology public enterprise in Brazil; six of Oliva's speeches were given ample coverage on their website: [47]
3. Estadão and Folha are two of the biggest Brazilian newspapers.
  - This article by Folha from March 2000 cites Oliva, then only 26 years old, as one of the "main collaborators" in the free software movement.[48]
  - Another article by Folha about Microsoft's near-monopoly, from May 2007, where Oliva is asked to give his opinion on the subject: [49]
  - In this article by Folha from March 2010, Oliva is interviewed about his breakup with Google: [50]
  - This article by Estadão from July 2012 announces the beginning of the 13th International Free Software Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil, and lists Oliva as one of the speakers.[51] (requires subscription)
  - Another article by Estadão from March 2014 about alternative social networks, where Oliva is interviewed (among other people). [52] (requires subscription)
4. A document prepared by CTI Renato Archer, a research center maintained by the Brazilian Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation, establishes (page 27) a Special Committee to prepare the Information Technology Master Plan. On the following page, they present a list of specialists who may be invited to collaborate in the Plan (Oliva is the first name in that list). [53]
I could go on listing other similar links, but I believe that for now these will suffice. Regards, —capmo (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aslam Chowdhury

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Not meeting WP ANYBIOP and WP:POLITICIAN. Deleted 9 years ago per A7 美しい歌 (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

What is required to be included in this article for it to come out of the deletion process?

The individual is a high profile politician of Bangladesh Nationalist Party who has been arbitrarily imprisoned by a toppled regime for 8 years. Intlctzn (talk) 13:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of long media coverage regarding the individual which spans over a decade.

"Bangladeshi Dissident Aslam Chowdhury released from prison". Foreign Policy Blogs. 2024-08-27. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Morshed Khan, Afroza Abbas, Aslam Chowdhury round off BNP success on appeals". www.unb.com.bd. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP appoints three more members to Chairperson's Advisory Council"."Bangladesh politician arrested for 'Israel handshake'". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury walks out of jail after 8 yrs -". The Daily Observer. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Bangladeshi Opposition Official Arrested for Alleged Contacts With Mossad"."Bangladesh opposition official arrested over Israel meeting"."BNP's Aslam on seven-day remand | The Asian Age Online, Bangladesh". The Asian Age. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel". Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy arrested over 'meeting' Mossad agent [ Tritiyo Matra News ]". www.tritiyomatra.com. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Aslam arrested in Dhaka over 'Israel plot' to overthrow Hasina regime". BNP’s Aslam arrested in Dhaka over ‘Israel plot’ to overthrow Hasina regime. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Hannan says RAW released Aslam's photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media". BNP’s Hannan says RAW released Aslam’s photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Govt stages drama over Aslam's meeting with Israeli leader: BNP"."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury gets HC bail". The Business Standard. 2021-05-30. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy released on bail". daily-sun. Retrieved 2024-11-11. Intlctzn (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Subsections all can be under controversy, A bio is not notable just for 1 event hence fail WP:Bio, You might choose to add any notable things he has done in the future. Tesleemah (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added more information. Intlctzn (talk) 10:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nominator for this deletion quotes WP:POLITICIAN to delete this article but per aforesaid guidelines, politicians who have held office^[1] or received significant press coverage (as politician^[2]^[3] / business head^[4]) are considered notable. Main article's political career section seems to fulfill this criteria.

(if) other concerns on quality of article can however be raised on main article page and improvements invited, this should not warrant a deletion though Nisingh.8 (talk) 18:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.

Articles for people of identical position exists e.g. Ruhul Kabir Rizvi. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 05:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Delete per WP:POLOUTCOMES. We have deleted, in the past 10 years, thousands of articles about diplomats, political party officials, losing candidates, and activists, up to and including candidates for the United States Senate, for lack of significant coverage. Only members of parliament or the equivalent are automatically included here: not political party officials. It’s about as strong a consensus as you can imagine on Wikipedia. If you haven’t ever read Wikipedia, you might not know that, but that’s not our problem, because in 2024 everybody knows that. We are not Ballotpedia or Truth Social. Bearian (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The individual is an important candidate for upcoming Bangladesh general election. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While normally this politician would be deleted under WP:NPOL, there is international coverage of this particular politician's arrest and imprisonment. This clearly puts this particular person beyond the normal scope of someone in this type of post. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Advisor, chair, secretary... These are all functionary positions, not meeting political notability. I don't see notability, the sourcing isn't helping matters. Oaktree b (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving Magadha

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Unnecessary article doesnt needed already mentioned very much on List of wars involving India.Such type of articles should be for present day entities. Edasf (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving Mughal Empire exists

List of wars involving Ottoman Empire exists

List of wars involving the Kingdom of France exists

List of wars involving Holy Roman Empire exists JingJongPascal (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All wars are properly sourced.

The Magadhan Empire and Second Magadhan Empire is seperated by 200 years

This article will help a user to view all of them in one go

While on List of wars involving India

One will have to switch time periods. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:13, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some exceptions do exist and all above article like for Mughals have issue the Mughal one is functioning even more like a disambiguation page.Another thing The first or second Magadha empires separation canT give a valid reason for a separate article.There arent that much wars for Magadha majority here dont have a separate article and some even looks like created by OR. Edasf (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then why do Holy Roman Empire & Kingdom of France exist ? JingJongPascal (talk) 14:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exceptions exist They have several wars Edasf (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

they are already included in List of wars involving Germany, yet they exist. JingJongPascal (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JingJongPascal They have many Magadha doesn't have that big to have a separate list. The list itself looks Original Synthesis. Edasf (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "Unnecessary," "not big enough to have a separate list," or "looks like Original Synthesis"? Under what context are you nominating and proposing a discussion for this article? It seems like the nomination is based on your personal viewpoint rather than Wikipedia's guidelines. You need to provide sufficient evidence to justify taking an article to deletion discussion. Personal opinions should not be the basis for judging an article; any proposal for deletion must be grounded in WP:DEL. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 17:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give why should there be separate article there's already wars involving India original synthesis is a part of WP guidelines read guidelines correctly first. Edasf (talk) 10:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In short List of Wars involving India quite enough by going this we need to create a dozen articles like this. Edasf (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe step back a little bit now? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What? Edasf (talk) 09:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you have a wrong understanding of what "Original Synthesis" is! As long as you are not adding unsourced interpretations or inferences to the data like claiming something that is not directly supported by the sources, this type of comparison is within the acceptable range of Wikipedia's guidelines and does not violate the original synthesis rule. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a separate list looks unwarranted. Agletarang (talk) 12:25, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'd prefer the title "List of wars of the Magadan Empires" but see no reason why such a list is worth deleting. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's unnecessary and original synthesis. Edasf (talk) 18:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Most of these wars ,a article page exists JingJongPascal (talk) 08:28, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The references offer substantial and reliable academic coverage of Magadha’s historical conflicts, indicating the wars' historical significance. Passes WP:SAL.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 17:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No per WP:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion Edasf (talk) 09:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Edasf "why should there be separate article there's already wars involving India"–Both articles deal with wars in India over time, but they focus on different scopes. The two articles are not the same in content, although they partially overlap when discussing ancient history/war. The article in question is a specific subset of the India article, focused on a particular kingdom during a particular period in Indian history and India article is much broader in scope involving all territories that eventually became modern India, including the broader Indian subcontinent (modern-day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other regions), covering a wider range of periods, regions, dynasties and also, the British colonial period, post-independence India, and modern conflicts. That's said, this article is not "Unnecessary". — MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your points arent accurate there are other kingdoms who had different wars we some even more than Magadha, we wont make article for each. Edasf «Talk» 14:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your opinion, but it’s not reflective of Wikipedia’s policies. There are no restrictions on creating articles as long as they meet the established criteria. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Meeting critrea doesnt guarantee article like WP:Verifiability#Verifiablity does not guarantee inclusion Edasf «Talk» 15:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the answer to this circles back to what I’ve already mentioned about why this article isn’t “unnecessary.” And also, your concern about "there aren't that much wars" being mentioned multiple times is irrational. Articles, whether they’re lists, stubs, or have limited content, shouldn’t be proposed for deletion simply because they’re short, WP:TOOSHORT. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 15:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How? Why isnt? Its to you to prove conclusively this article is necessary to me and even two other editors India one is quit fine and this isn't necessary to have an specific article for a single kingdom and just ignoring others. Edasf «Talk» 15:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What an immature argument to make! This is a discussion, and reviewers are entitled to form their own opinions and vote accordingly. My vote is to keep, and I’ll stand by it unless you can provide a solid, rational reason for why this article should be deleted. Just because you and other editors share the same opinion doesn’t mean I’m obligated to agree or consider it valid without proper justification. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 15:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not forcing you well.Take example of Macedon there were atleast 20 wars involving it will you come create another article? Such types of articles are generally for present entities. Edasf «Talk» 16:05, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not familiar with Macedon or its wars, but relating that to the article in question, to support your argument that such articles shouldn’t be created is weak and all the questions about "Why should this be kept?" have already been answered, and I’m not going to keep repeating myself on that. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 16:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again and do you have source which states a synthesis between these? This article is an Original synthesis part of WP:OR Edasf «Talk» 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t wish to continue the discussion, as it keeps circling back to the same point "OR". About the references, it's quite extensive, and my apologies, but I can’t go into all the details right now, it would take more time to elaborate that here. The references listed in the article could be considered. Additionally, I’m just pointing out some similar articles to show that your proposal, claiming "such articles should not exist separately," is not valid. These examples are only meant to challenge the subjective reasoning behind your suggestion and are not relevant to evaluating the article based on the guidelines. List of wars and battles involving the Principality of Smolensk, List of wars involving the Principality of Tver, List of wars involving the Principality of Moscow, List of wars and battles involving Galicia–Volhynia, List of wars involving Kievan Rus', List of wars involving the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, List of wars involving the Inca Empire, List of battles between Mughals and Sikhs, List of battles involving the Sikh Empire.— MimsMENTOR ^talk 16:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again I won't repeat myself points. Edasf «Talk» 17:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dont compare medieval empires here Edasf «Talk» 09:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why not? JingJongPascal (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because List of wars involving India is enough. Orientls (talk) 06:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @JingJongPascal. On an additional note, the article seems to be extremely well-made and kept, and seems to be extremely useful. Also @JingJongPascal, you do not need to provide citations on the article, simply providing a link to battle/war would be enough. In case, a separate article for a particular battle/war doesn't exist, then you shoulda adad a citation. PadFoot (talk) 10:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The article appears well-sourced and in my opinion it meets the criteria of WP:LISTN. It mentions several notable wars, all of which are suitably linked (per PadFoot's argument). I see no reason to redirect it to List of wars involving India because this entry is significant enough to stand on its own.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Add content from here to the articles on the individual polities. At the very least the Gupta Empire should be removed. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 12:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As I noted at the recently-closed nomination for the pseudo-historical Magadhan Empire article, trying to connect the disparate, non-contiguous states centred on Magadha is trying to push a POV not accepted in academic sources. The wars between the Magadha-Anga war of 540 BC and the Fall of Magadha in 575 AD have not been "discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" (many of our articles even note this discontinuity—see e.g. the first paragraph of Later Gupta dynasty). Thus, I do not think this passes WP:LISTN. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. The fact that certain lists overlap is not a valid reason for deletion. Content often does overlap, but information can be organized in valid and different ways or have subtle but different foci that make them viable separate articles. Ultimately, the delete views here boil down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT opinions because the sourcing is here to support this list.4meter4 (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bert van Boggelen

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Has been interim chair of an union and a political party, but relevance is not supported by reliable secondary sources (as far as I could find). Dajasj (talk) 19:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kym Illman

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This photographer does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. I've actually come across Illman's YouTube channel before, but I'm just not seeing the sourcing to establish notability. The most solid source I found is this profile from Nine.com.au. I found some other sources like this and this this that quote Illman's social media posts and cover some of the associated drama, but to me this doesn't feel like significant coverage of Illman or his work. Most other sources I came across were passing mentions or just Illman's name in photo credits. I don't think we have enough coverage to meet GNG, but I'm open to discussion with other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Rees-Evans

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Lack of sources, no major news coverage since 2017. PlateOfToast (talk) 19:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephen Barlow (conductor)

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Appears to have received coverage primarily as Joanna Lumley's husband, without much discussing his career or anything else outside of that relationship, thus I can't say I see notability here. A redirect to Lumley's page seems appropriate. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Redirect: I found a lot of reviews for artistic direction of opera productions suggesting clear WP:NCREATIVE notability before realising that was Stephen Barlow (director). I can't find sufficient RS reviews of this one's King or Rainbow Bear or other work, though it's possible that there's coverage offline, and the flood of links for the other one and their opera overlap make searching online difficult. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 06:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MeTV Plus

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An alternate redirect was created a while ago MeTV+ and I blanked the page and is now unneeded. OWaunTon (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural close - this has never been an article, it has always been a redirect. Therefore, WP:RFD is the correct venue. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Wrong venue, and this redirect is a perfectly plausible search term – it's even used on MeTV's official website. No way this would be deleted even if taken to RfD. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Battle of Rogovë

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Is WP:NOT, does not meet the criteria for a wikipedia article as it is not in-depth and neither are the sources Peja mapping (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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All singing, all dancing

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Fails GNG, lacks significant coverage. The article consists of a dictionary definition already better covered at wikt:all singing, all dancing, along with some trivia about shows on which the phrase has been mentioned. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete but without prejudice to its being recreated if someone finds more interesting sources for it. I am in favour of keeping at least some of these idiom-articles (currently we've got a whole load nominated) because in many cases the idioms have an interesting cultural history and are well-sourced, but this one is too thin and strays over the line into mere dictionary definition. Elemimele (talk) 17:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, this does seem to be pretty threadbare, and it's hard to think of how there could be good sources for this. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kanta Nagakawa

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Player unfortunately fails WP:GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 17:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails every policy. Geschichte (talk) 18:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johanne Guillou

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Player unfortunately fails WP:GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Not at all enough references in article (fixable), notability is not shown. There might be a scarce amount of references. Does not meet the Notability Guideline. (Wp:GNG) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristo Foufas

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Article deleted in 2010, failed PROD in 2021. Sources exist, as added in that PROD of 2021, but article is not nearly notable enough for inclusion. LR.127 (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Probably have enough for a basic article. This Independent article is the best [54], then some coverage [55] and [56]. Seems to be well-known to the viewing public. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per oaktree b. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Up Above Records

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nn music records label --Altenmann >talk 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. No valid rationale for deletion presented. WP:CSD#A10 does not apply. Existing content in the draft can be added into this article. Nthep (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Devendra Rajesh Kothe

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There's already a page created with the same name since 20th-November-2024, with much detailed research and details.

This is the page to discuss why this new page need to be allowed over the old page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Devendra_Kothe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohit Gandmal (talk • contribs) 12:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (WP:SNOW) — a draft article existing is not a reason to delete an article. If the draft is accepted the two articles can be WP:MERGEd, but much of the content in the draft is improperly sources and/or non-notable details. --Ahecht (TALK
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Thank you Ahecht!

As per the Wikipedia rules.

Duplicate: There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject, with the same scope.

If a duplicate article was recently created, it may also be a candidate for speedy deletion under CSD A10 criteria.

WP:MERGEREASON

WP:OVERLAP

WP:DUP

We can abandon the discussion altogether if we collectively are not willing to abide by the original Wikipedia rules.

Logically, we should also get it clear that, does the arbitration favours the duplication or keeping up the original article, which has been put so much effort in to.

If duplication is what we are supporting above, what's already framed rule, then we should abandon the discussion altogether. Mohit Gandmal (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mohit Gandmal CSD A10 does not apply to drafts. WP:MERGEREASON/WP:OVERLAP/WP:DUP does not require a page to be deleted, especially when one of the pages is a draft. --Ahecht (TALK
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Hasan Mehraj

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (academics) as tagged. No changes since previous draftification by @BoyTheKingCanDance: ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for failure to meet WP:NPROF. Kazamzam (talk) 18:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, a very obvious case. Postdoctoral researcher with an h-factor of 12 with 517 cites, no awards, not even close. Note that there appears to be a COI as this looks to be autobiographical. Ldm1954 (talk) 03:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mind your Ps and Qs

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dictionary definition of an English phrase with speculation about its etymology, cited to primary sources. wikt:mind one's ps and qs accomplishes what this is trying to do much better. and rightly so, for Wikipedia is not a dictionary. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep, cleanup. valid Wikipedia article. --Altenmann >talk 16:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep, there's nothing much wrong with the article, and it's certainly an encyclopedic topic. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There is a grey area that's hard to sort between here and Wiktionary. The test is whether this is merely an (etymological) dictionary entry WP:DICT. My feeling is that where the social/historical interest in a phrase's origin outweighs the linguistic information about how it's used, it's possible to have a social/historically-biased encyclopedia entry. This doesn't preclude having a linguistically-biased dictionary entry in Wiktionary. It's not either/or. This particular phrase is interesting enough, and sufficiently sourced, to pass. Elemimele (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The nominator's statement that the wiktionary page "accomplishes what this is trying to do much better" is incorrect. The Wikipedia article is much more in-depth. Toughpigs (talk) 18:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Indie Recordings

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Fails WP:NCORP. The blabbermouth piece is churnalism annoucing so and so has signed up with this company. The level of coverage on this company fails to satisfy NCORP. The article was created by a single purpose one time editor and edit history on the article suggests plenty of public relations editing activity Graywalls (talk) 15:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm leaning delete, barring any coverage by Norwegian media that I might have missed. It's close to notability, as I found this magazine profile. The other two references - this and this I'm not sure count as significant coverage. So, for now at least, delete--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. Tagged for a year. --Altenmann >talk 16:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Altruist

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Does not appear to meet WP:NFILM. No wide release; page for Mick McCleery was successfully AfD'd in January 2019. Previously PROD'd by Another Believer but was dePROD'd on grounds of WP:NEXIST. Having done a search, I don't believe they do. Kazamzam (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of terrorist incidents in North Macedonia

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The whole article is originally researched and violates MOS:TERRORIST. The sources are not conclusive about whether any of these events can be designated as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no originally research here nor MOS:TERRORIST violation. In fact, there are no resources in this article and barely any explanation besides "North Macedonia is a landlocked country in Southeast Europe. It shares land borders with Kosovo to the northwest, Serbia to the north, Bulgaria to the east, Greece to the south, and Albania to the west. Below is an incomplete list of terrorist incidents that occurred in North Macedonia" and a list of Wikipedia topics of attacks and conflicts. IdanST (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the originally researched part. There are no reliable sources that classify these incidents as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are listed in their respective Wikipedia articles, and from an initial review and checking some, they appear to be reliable. IdanST (talk) 10:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited those articles. Articles themselves are not considered reliable. List articles are also subject to WP:V, so citing sources is required on such articles too.

Even if we go by the articles, we'll see that on its respective article, the 2001 insurgency is not classified as a terrorist incident. Neither are the Vejce massacre, Kondovo crisis and the 2014 government attack (unresolved case), nor have I encountered sources who classify them as such. The attack at Gošince has been classified as such by the government but the case is unresolved. The Smilkovci Lake killings have also been classified as such by the government and some experts (before the convictions), and there were also terrorism convictions. The Kumanovo clashes have also been classified as such by the government and there were terrorism convictions. All three occurred when there were ethnic tensions and a political crisis, so their status is controversial. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it's WP:V violation. I've added RS to all listed attacks. However, I don't know how 2001 insurgency in Macedonia is related to this list. IdanST (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but rename - at least three of these incidents were carried out by or claimed by the National Liberation Army. I think it's useful to group them and show how the situation has evolved or progressed over time and how other instances of ethnic-driven violence have occurred but it might be helpful to be specific in the claims of the list. Other countries (Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, etc.) have much long lists but are not always linked to an article. There are many ways to rework this but I think it's worth keeping around. Kazamzam (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any title(s) in mind? My view has not changed so far but a name change can be considered. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Rapsody Overture

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Appears to fail WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 12:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - As mentioned in the previous AfD, the album appeared on various European charts and search results at Google Books indicate some notability. They could be called passing mentions: [57], [58], [59], [60]. But there are "snippet views" from DRUM magazine, The Big Issue, Paris Match, Tjednik (Croatian magazine) that are not fully viewable, and could be significant coverage. I think this is very likely a notable subject and sources are just locked in physical media. If the article is decided to be deleted, as an alternative to deletion a redirect to Prince Igor (song) would be appropriate. --Mika1h (talk) 15:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of passing WP:NALBUM. Sources presented aren't convincing. I can't find the substantial coverage required. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: fails WP:GNG. --Altenmann >talk 16:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quick and the dead

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The article consists of a dictionary definition, an etymology, and some mentions of its usage, pretty much all of which is original research. If there's any indication that this even counts as a standard phrase, it would do better as a Wiktionary entry. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Original research --Altenmann >talk 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as TNT of original research, but this is a potentially notable subject. The phrase gets a lot of coverage in research about the Book of Common Prayer and its language (eg [61]). I'm planning out an article called "Language in the Book of Common Prayer" (it will be largely framed by an OUP book of the same name by Stella Brook and OUP's Shakespeare's Common Prayers by Daniel Swift). This might be a good redirect to that article when the time comes. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, of all the idioms currently up for AfD, this one has a long history in English language culture. It's even got itself into philosophy of literature[62], as well as of course featuring in discussions such as [63] (a blog, but a blog by acknowledged experts, Patricia T. O'Conner and Stewart Kellerman). It goes way beyond dictionary-matter, and is socially significant enough to land firmly in an encyclopedia. If we're not careful, we'll have to bud out a sub-article list or disambig on usage of the phrase for books, academic articles, films, poems and music. Elemimele (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Williams (priest)

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Low-level religious figure. Fails WP:BASIC as lacking "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Created by an editor now blocked from mainspace for poor-quality content creation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of deans of St Asaph as ATD absent any GNG-meeting coverage. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment leaning keep. There is a brief article on his installation, with a little biographical material (Bishop to install cathedral dean. Western Mail p. 6, 14 Sep 2011), and also some material about his wife (Bissett, Daniel. Diocese at 'a low ebb'. Daily Post 26 June 2015: 4) which while it does not speak to his notability, provides a bit of usable background. He's quoted quite a bit in the national and regional press (eg Cathedral's gender-neutral lavatories. The Daily Telegraph 19 Jan 2018: 12; Bishop calls for removal of Stanley tributes. The Daily Telegraph 15 June 2020: 5; Darren Devine. New panel to probe the future survival of Wales' cathedrals: They resonate with an architectural splendour that ensures their appeal extends beyond believers. But after surviving for well over 1,000 years how can the nation's cathedrals endure in a Wales where Christianity is in decline? Western Mail 30 Dec 2015: 17; £500K cathedral campaign launch. Daily Post 18 July 2013: 17. Powell, David. Cathedral in £300k extension initiative: COMMUNITY USE BOOST BUT CAUTION ON BISHOPS' GRAVES. Daily Post 24 May 2013: 14, and also some from The Sun and The Daily Mail, which aren't reliable but suggest widespread coverage). Not seeing a pressing need to delete this article. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Byron Cemetery

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this discussion in rfd was closed as restore, when it should have been closed as restore and send to afd. same rationale applies for my vote, which is delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - when narrowed down to Byron Cemetery + Wyoming search results, there are less than 100 Google Search results, indicating lack of prominence, as well as eight Google News results, most of which are obituaries, except this which just says there was a Memorial Day ceremony at the cemetery in 2015. Concrete evidence of WP:GNG needed. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
del no coverage. --Altenmann >talk 16:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ArkTS

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I found sourcing to show that the subject meets WP: GNG. The subject receives in-depth coverage in two papers, published by separate groups of authors at Chinese universities. These papers appeared in ASE 2024, meaning that they are peer-reviewed and thus credible. Here are the papers: [1] [2] I do think this article has several issues, but they can be fixed without deleting the article, so I am inclined to keep it. HyperAccelerated (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accidentally linked to the same paper twice. Here is the link to the other paper. Sorry about that. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't find two independent sources satisfying GNG. User:HyperAccelerated - is that source independent? There's not wide coverage yet, may be WP:TOOSOON. Nothing against draftifying. Widefox; talk 22:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes -- do you have reason to believe they aren't? One paper is from a team of researchers at Southern University of Science and Technology and another from a team at Beihang University. There isn't anything in the Acknowledgement sections to indicate they got funding from Huawei (who developed ArkTS), and if there was substantial collaboration with Huawei I'd expect someone from Huawei to be on the author list. I suspect there's more coverage in Chinese, but I think that these papers are sufficient to establish notability anyway. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Two books, ^[1] is an introduction to the syntax of ArkTS, and ^[2] covers ArkTS on HarmonyOS 3.1. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 11:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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National Law Library of the Maldives

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No notability and no information about the law library, as well as no references.

del per nom. --Altenmann >talk 16:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can find no source, let alone reliable. Not to be confused with National Library of Maldives which was established earlier and still seems to have references and mentions available. The extreme lack of details on article (not even an area code/coords/managing organization) makes it extremely difficult to scrounge back anything of value. Nisingh.8 (talk) 17:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jackpot World

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Non-notable mobile game. Sourcing about the game itself leans heavily to primary sources, low-quality secondary blog coverage or user-generated social media and influencer youtube videos. The more reliable coverage about SpinX and their business activities, such as from GameDeveloper, Nikkei, or Reuters, barely mentions Jackpot World. May be one to consider framing as notability for a WP:CORP and not for the game itself. I accept the game itself is quite popular but there isn't a lot of mainstream coverage on it from what I can see. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Netmarble. Agree with nom that Jackpot World is poorly covered in RS, failing WP:GNG. Developer is covered, although questionably well enough for an WP:NCORP pass, but in any case doesn't have an article, so redirect to parent company of developer. ~ A412 ^talk! 19:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A quick look shows that the Netmarble article doesn't mention SpinX, but it easily could: [64] [65] [66] [67] ~ A412 ^talk! 19:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems appropriate to me. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions. After careful consideration, I also agree that "Redirect to Netmarble" makes more sense. JulieBole (talk) 07:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've played this game for years and I think it should be kept. It was released by the publisher before it was acquired. 42.200.218.17 (talk) 03:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Lukáš Šembera

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Non-notable sportsperson. The sources describe his accident, which left him paralyzed at the age of 16, and how he lives with the consequences, but do not document any achievements or any other reason for having an encyclopedia entry. FromCzech (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, there appears to be sources but many are in foreign language and failed to translate properly for assessment. Those familiar with the language may search for sources. Mekomo (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Even if he is/was related to Michal Šembera, the article may still fall under WP:NOTINHERITED. Although it's possible foreign sources exist, we can't assume that to be the case. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mounts, Indiana

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Here again we have some citation abuse, because the "whistle stop" line doesn't come from the county history; it comes from Baker. The page in the county history doesn't mention the place at all, just the person. Meanwhile Baker, yes, promotes this to a village, and again there's just no evidence on the ground for that. It's just another isolated station, as far as I can tell. Mangoe (talk) 12:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no concrete evidence of a community, and the generic name complicates the ability to find WP:SIGCOV information on the topic. starship.paint (talk / cont) 10:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honorary Consul of Japan in India

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS; article is purely a press release with no independant showing of notability. CoconutOctopus talk 12:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. Garudam ^Talk! 13:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Promotional piece. - Ratnahastin (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination rationale. Mekomo (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Penman & Greenwood

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Nearly-incomprehensible article about a Daily Mirror column. No citations, all external links are dead. WP:BEFORE turns up only WP mirrors and a couple of archived examples of the column, but nothing about the column or its authors. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There's this, in the Press Gazette, but it ain't enough. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the nomination rationale. there are no sources out there to build it. Mekomo (talk) 12:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Association of Local Government Archaeological Officers

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I haven't been able to find any significant coverage of this organisation in reliable third-party sources. – Joe (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Good grief: "ALGAO is the national body representing local government archaeological services on behalf of County, District, Unitary and National Park authorities. ALGAO co-ordinates the views of member authorities (110 in total) and presents them to government and to other national organisations. It also acts as an advisor to the Local Government Association on archaeological matters." Massively influential national body representing archaeology at every level of government in the UK. That's not notable? Do me a lemon! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may well be so, but has it translated to any usable sources? I came across this article because it's been unreferenced for thirteen years—one of the few remaining unreferenced archaeology articles left, by the way—and after some time searching I couldn't rectify that. I'm happy to be corrected but without sources we can't write an article, no matter how influential the subject. – Joe (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf in sheep's clothing

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article consists of etymology better fitting for Wiktionary, loosely thrown together trivia about literature inspired by the phrase, and uses of the phrase to describe the phenomenon of zoological mimicry, which already has its article. None of it is encyclopaedic, all of it can be (and is) better mentioned elsewhere. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 11:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I could be convinced to keep the article if it were retitled and trimmed down to focus on the "wolf in sheep's clothing" as a literary device, because I'm sure sources for that could be easily found (that part of the article is good). But as it stands the article is an inherently OR assembly of concepts with no evidence that they have all been linked together by an external source. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:DICDEF - simple as that. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree WP isn't a dictionary but this article has some encyclopedic value. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 12:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It has encyclopedic value as it's a popular idiomatic expression and this is evident in the average number of article views per month at around eight thousand. It only needs working on to remodel it within the scope of its title. Mekomo (talk) 13:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article is a consideration of a large body of literary fables inspired by the original figure of speech. Where I would agree is that the title is unfortunately titled, making the article appear to be focussed on the figure of speech. It might function better if it were rewritten under a composite title like, for example, The wolf in disguise. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This article is expressly about the phrase, and is titled correctly for that. A separate article on the literary trope might be viable, but this is not that article. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - okay, I see going back into the history, it was created as an article on the fable. The current pretty much says that the original is incorrect, and the fables aren't by Aesop, but are based on the phrase, not the other way around. The edits have also substantially altered the scope of the article. Would it make sense to change it again to be about the fables, or should a new article be created about the trope (a broader topic)? TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This article has encyclopedic value as a widely recognized idiom with significant cultural, historical, and literary relevance. It originates from biblical and fable traditions, and this phrase has transcended its initial context to become a universal metaphor for deception and hidden malevolence. I suggest including more about the cultural and societal implications of this phrase. However, minor issues can be resolved without deleting the entire article. DocZach (talk) 13:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- wikt:wolf in sheep's clothing already records where it originates from; dictionaries also record etymological information. It's use (not origin!) in fable traditions is also akin to myriad art and literature that are often based on this or that phrase, collecting all that on one page on the phrase is essentially trivia. People often use phrases as metaphors, yes, that's what they are for. Collecting a bunch of sources *using* a phrase, without any *mentioning* it, or describing it in more detail than a dictionary definition is not enough for an encyclopaedia. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: the sources seem to be enough to pass WP:GNG. I would also argue that the article is encyclopedic, since as an idiom it warrants more coverage than a mere dictionary entry can provide.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you specify how exactly it meets GNG? Which sources contain significant coverage of this phrase? All I see are passing mentions, usage of the phrase, and dictionary definitions. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this is a major topic. It meets GNG the usual way, with multiple, independent, reliable sources. The zoology sources alone demonstrate its notability, but the article goes into much more depth than that on its literary side. It far exceeds a dictionary definition, to put it mildly. Nom argues in this thread that the article is (only) about the phrase, but that is not so: it is about the uses made of the phrase, an encyclopedic subject. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The zoological sources are about aggressive mimicry. We already have that article. These sources use the phrase in question, *in passing*, to describe that phenomenon. Using that to cobble together an article on the "uses of the phrase" is pure synthesis and original research. We do not have any significant coverage—none has been demonstrated—evidence free assertions otherwise should be discarded. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not a WP:DICDEF. Meets WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cantamath

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A regional math competition article with no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 11:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Wanted to save this and went out in search of sources but nothing was found. It fails all notability guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lakhan Rawat

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The same reason applies as it did for Lakhan Singh (cricketer). I do not believe the subject meets the WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available about the subject's career as a cricketer, which directly fails the WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the article's creator is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lack of SIGCOV couldn't warrant a standalone article. Garudam ^Talk! 13:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom.
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Out of the frying pan into the fire

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WP:NOTDICT. The article was deleted twice before, in 2006 and 2008 respectively, over the same concerns. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 11:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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OPPOSE: The article is not "substantially the same" as earlier versions, as the proposer claimed in his original notice. It has been widened in scope to include fables based on the figure of speech, the original history of which is rightfully considered too on that account. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is an encyclopedic subject supported by multiple reliable sources: more are certainly available. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These "multiple reliable sources" are five different online dictionaries defining the term, and then some articles talking about mediaeval fables based on similar proverbs and idioms. None of it is significant coverage of the phrase, none of the content here is encyclopedic. Significant coverage has to be demonstrated, mere assertions to the contrary are not enough. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 17:08, 25 the 2024 (UTC)
  That's not right, nor is it advisable for AfD noms to attack any opposition. All the sources in the article appear to be reliable; whether the dictionary sources establish notability may be moot here, but the other sources certainly do. In general, notability is demonstrated by sources in the world; it is convenient for everybody if these are written up decently and placed in the article, but that is not the criterion for notability. But I'll have a look at the article now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Of the 13 sources listed, only 5 are dictionaries. There is an external link to the Wiktionary definition, but it is not used as a source. Nice image used under the Uses section. — Maile (talk) 02:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giacomo Milano

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this young rugby player. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taking the piss

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. An entry at Wiktionary already exists. A previous AfD nomination with the same rationale closed as keep, but the arguments presented for keep there seem to be of the "I like it" variety. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 10:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Agreed that WP shouldn't be a dictionary, but unlike Wolf in sheep's clothing above, this article at least does cite sources discussing the phrase and its origins and use, without the SYNTH. Could probably be trimmed down to a description and a few examples, though. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Whilst not a dictionary I believe this article has value beyond providing a definition for the phrase, including basic etymology and cultural significance across multiple countries. Current refs aren't exhaustive but provide a decent foundation to why this may meet notability standards.Triplefour (talk) 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Dictionaries also provide basic etymology and general information about usage, whether it's British, Irish, American, etc. That's what Wiktionary does. Some of the article is also OR. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 13:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep that article does look like an encyclopedic entry about the phrase as opposed to a dictionary definition. SportingFlyer T·C 18:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A fair bit of original content and uncited or poorly cited content has been removed since the preceding comments were made. I don't know if that shifts any of the opinions. Nurg (talk) 01:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian hedge funds

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Fails WP:NLIST. The references merely confirm they are funds. No sources that establish notability of the list as a whole. LibStar (talk) 09:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Most of the entries here are non-notable and since hedge funds are private entities that are often secretive, I expect most of them will have difficulty passing WP:NCORP. We already have List of hedge funds which contains all the expected notable hedge funds. There are no list for hedge funds in other countries so having a list only for Canada give undue weight to it that other countries do not have (not even the US which has most of the notable ones).- Imcdc Contact 10:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Upper All's Well Cave

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Clearly nonotable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The content and image are worth keeping if minimal; I think these should be merged to some larger article in my opinion. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be the merge target?

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Wilson's Cave

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Links in ref's are broken, and all the info is sourced from the one referenced book. That book list many, many caves, and inclusion does not make this one notable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep See [68] Page 18 and [69] page 276: "a site of major archaeological significance". The cave contained mammoth bones, implements, Neolithic ware and bronze rings from 600 BC. Or possibly redirect to Gorham's Cave. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second is a clear passing mention, first has some merit. The mere presence of bones doesn't make something notable, and this is passing converage.

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There is some confusion with Gorham's Cave. If they are the same, redirect. Otherwise, first ref and existing refs is enough to keep. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of cinemas in Estonia

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Poorly sourced and fails WP:NLIST. The Estonian language version of this article has more entries but also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only three entries and one notable entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773@LibStar: has good potential to grow per e.g. etwiki list. Some references and info are also added Estopedist1 (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. 46 blue links (ie 46 potential entries...) on the Estonian page, that is an indication that should be noted and that is at least promising. And there is also a list dedicated to those of Tallinn only (in Estonian). Mushy Yank (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails WP:NOTDIR and is only manageable because of the country's relatively small size. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with LibStar and Mangoe, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR. If it had more links and sources, then it might be passable, but it is not acceptable under it's current condition.

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Keep: Poorly sourced, yes: cleanup issue. Fails NLIST? no, meets NLIST as the topic as a set has received coverage. (Thomson, C. (2007). Estonia - Culture Smart! The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture. Kuperard. for example or Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania(Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147, for a start) At least a redirect and merge to Cinema of Estonia seems warranted to preserve history. The topic would seem to be perfectly encyclopaedic, though.... Mushy Yank (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how precisely and exactly is that list supposed to fall under NOTDIR? Mushy Yank (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears that the list topic has been discussed as a set in RS. That is all we need to prove WP:NLIST. Further, I don't think this list falls under any of the six criteria of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and those saying it does haven't actually discussed or connected the list to any one of the six standards for making that judgement. It's not a convincing argument as the list has a clearly defined scope that is relevant to the Cinema of Estonia. It's not a simple listing because of the RS coverage, and given that Estonian language films get played pretty much only in theaters in Estonia and the small geographic area its reasonable to list theaters in a single page for topical reasons. It's therefore not a "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics" or a "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorization", or a "A resource for conducting business", or a "Genealogical entry", or an "Electronic program guides".4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Too small for a whole article. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Cinema of Estonia until it is expanded. The references added to the article show it passes WP:NLIST in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. Could use with some expansion though. ExRat (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battles for Gornje Kolibe

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This skirmish was a very small part of Operation Corridor 92, for which we already have a Good Article which doesn't even mention this event due to its very minor nature. The village of Gornje Kolibe is mentioned once in the second volume of the comprehensive CIA history of the 90s wars in the Balkans, "Balkan Battlegrounds", but only briefly in the context of Operation Corridor 92, and none of the detail of this fighting is even mentioned. Non-notable firefight, appears to have been created effectively as a memorial page to those who fought there. Events from 30 years ago in this war have been examined in considerable detail in academic standard publications, so I have deleted the various local/town/regional news portals, many of which are dubious and/or biased and have no real editorial process (and therefore not reliable), and what is left (cited) is pretty much nothing. One of numerous highly marginally notable articles recently created by a series of now blocked socks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should say that the other (none news portal) sources I removed were writings of former VRS officers, including at least two whom were directly involved in Operation Corridor 92, so hardly independent of the subject. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. @Peacemaker67 would a possible WP:ATD be a selective merge to the the village of Gornje Kolibe? We have practically no content on the village and this would seem to be a pertinent event to the history of that village? Obviously any unverified content shouldn't be moved over.4meter4 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Gornje Kolibe per 4meter4. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb The town doesn't currently mention the event. We can only redirect to articles where the topic is addressed; hence the need to make this a "selective merge". Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
very limited material to selectively merge, but yes. I would also add a sentence to the Operation Corridor 92 article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Gornje Kolibe or Operation Corridor 92 if possible. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darrah, California

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Mass-created article by Carlossuarez46, who created 159 articles on the same day as this one. Fails GEOLAND, no evidence that this was ever a legally-recognised populated place. GNIS is not a reliable source for a place having been populated, per WP:GNIS and the RSN discussion.

This was a declined PROD from last year with the comment "isn't a post office evidenence this was once a populated place?". To answer this, no it isn't, because especially in the 19th and early 20th centuries, post-offices could be located anywhere, particularly within stores/mines/railway stations etc. that were located outside populated communities. Opening of a post office anyway does not confer legal recognition as a populated place - for that incorporation as a town or similar is needed. In this case, based on what can be seen there now, it appears to have been a single building located at a cross roads - probably a store or way-station in which the post office was located. Of course all this assumes that the Durham reference actually says what C46 cited it as saying - they repeatedly misquoted/misrepresented it.

Looking at Internet Archive and Newspapers.com for sources about "Darrah, California" returned no relevant results. I did consider redirecting/renaming this to Darrah Park, which is now at this location, but I couldn't find any reliable sources sufficient to meet WP:GEOFEAT for Darrah Park - for example here's the internet archive search for Darrah Park and here's a search on Newspapers.com. FOARP (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete (Note: I was the one who PRODed the article last year). I stand by my earlier reasoning. Note that all hits in the Internet Archive for Darrah Park are either for different parks, or for people named Darrah Park (I couldn't access the newspapers.com results). So I don't think a rename/redirect makes much sense. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete There is no "Darrah Park" per se; the county website lists it as a "facility" named "Darrah Schoolhouse". Basically it's a hall you can rent which is indeed the old schoolhouse shown on topos. Everything else, including those maps, says that it was a 4th class post office. One of us (it wasn't me) got a copy of Durham, and yeah, he was frequently misrepresented, but I note that really only the post office info is cited to him anyway. Mangoe (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Mangoe - I think WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is pretty clear about schools not being automatically notable, if that's what this location is/was. FOARP (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Gursimran Kaur

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A sad story, but has no evidence of WP:SUSTAINED notability (one local follow-up story after the initial wider range of news reports). Fails WP:NOTNEWS. Fram (talk) 08:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It's sad but there are several isolated industrial incidents such as this. She was not notable before her death and her death has not received sustained coverage or forced significant reform to be eligible for an entry. Mekomo (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: a notable article and well-cited and I agree with @Zachary Klaas This is a national and international story about work conditions leading to a burning death in an oven. QalasQalas (talk) 19:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solid surface

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Article which is a WP:OR and WP:SYNTH combination of several products under a non-existent name. Nothing notable that is not already in the companies products. No coverage of the name since the usage here is completely inappropriate -- there is a standard definition of what a "Solid surface" is. Almost everything is unsourced WP:OR. Since Espresso Addict opposed a PROD arguing that there was useful content, nominated for AfD. Ldm1954 (talk) 08:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. "Solid surface" seems to be used for a "synthetic countertop material that contains both minerals and resins" ... "33-percent binding resins and 66-percent minerals. Those minerals are a bauxite derivative, aluminum trihydrate (ATH)".[70] (a selling site). Will try to find some more-respectable sources. The article should state upfront that it applies to the synthetic material and that the physics usage is covered in surface (though actually I see it isn't really). It might be a good idea to move this to a title with a disambiguator and make "solid surface" into a dab. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many hits in Ebsco (3,260 for '"solid surface" countertop'), some of which call the material "solid surface composite" which might be a good article title; a few of the top are: W Kyle Mandler, Chaolong Qi, Yong Qian. Hazardous dusts from the fabrication of countertop: a review. Archives of Environmental & Occupational Health. Jul2022, p1-9 [71] "Both SSC and ES consist of a mineral substrate bound together in a polymer matrix. For SSC the mineral is about 70% aluminum trihydrate (ATH)"; Counter Points. By: Van Vlear, Victoria, American Farmhouse Style, 26415380, Feb/Mar2024, Vol. 9, Issue 1; Solid Surface International Expo 2005, SolidSurface Magazine. May/Jun2005, Vol. 11 Issue 3, p40-46; Webster, Mark. Seamless Solid Surface Sinks. Surface Fabrication. Mar2008, Vol. 14 Issue 3, p26-29; Dulley, James. Replace your old countertops with solid surface ones. Farm & Dairy. 10/4/2018, Vol. 105 Issue 3, p15; Spaulding, Harry. Counter vision. Residential Design & Build. Feb/Mar2007, Vol. 72 Issue 2, p44-49; Windmeier, Patrick. Understanding The Cause Of Solid Surface Countertop Failure Part I: Front Edge Cracks. Surface Fabrication. Oct2008, Vol. 14 Issue 10, p22-23; The latest in countertop trends. Wood Digest. Mar2006, Vol. 37 Issue 3, p34; and many more. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A solid surface is literally that, the surface of a solid. It is an important topic in surface science, physics, chemistry, materials science, catalysis and a few others. There are millions of academic papers and quite a few Nobel prizes with a history of many centuries. The latest was Ertl in 2007
for his studies of chemical processes on solid surfaces

If you want to defend it then please do a ~~redirect~~merge to some innocuous name such as Countertop, rather than suggesting that centuries of science should be ignored because someone decided to hack an established name. (Countertop is more comprehensive than this, but also appalling devoid of sources.) Ldm1954 (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, lots of words/phrases have more than one meaning, and as I wrote above, I am entirely happy with moving this off the top level to allow a disambiguation page or a primary page on the phys/chem topic (which I don't think currently exists?). Bear in mind that while many of the editors who patrol AfD deletion lists in science/academia topics are actually current or former scientists, I fear the average reader might genuinely be more interested in what material to get their kitchen/bathroom countertops made out of than in the physics/chemistry meaning. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The appropriate page exists, surface science. Also, please note that it is science, not just physical sciences or just physics/chemistry. For instance cell adhesion to solid surfaces is an important topic where there has been extensive work. The normal use of the term is everywhere, just for fun try this. Abnormal use is just that, and has no place on WP IMHO. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Cullen328: for an expert view on the term as a synthetic material; perhaps he will be able to suggest a better move/merge target. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but possibly rename to "Solid surface material" or "Solid surface product". I have refrained from editing this article for many years because I have a deep conflict of interest. I have derived a large majority of my income for over 40 years from selling, fabricating, installing, repairing and modifying solid surface countertops and related items such as table tops, desk tops, retail service counters and tub and shower walls. So, I have paid the mortgages on two homes and bought a third for cash, raised two sons from birth to age 40 and age 35, traveled extensively and lived a pretty good middle class life due to this product. I was active in a trade group called the "International Solid Surface Fabricator's Association" for quite a few years. One of my sons is keeping my business going as I transition toward retirement, which is a source of great pride to me. "Solid surface material" or "solid surface product" is the generic term accepted in the construction industry of the English speaking world for a variety of competing commercial products that includes international brands such as DuPont Corian, Avonite, Fountainhead (defunct), HiMacs, Staron, and countless regional brands. The current lead section is largely accurate. The rest of the article is of varying quality ranging from OK to mediocre to terrible. The referencing is really poor. But AfD is not cleanup and I am absolutely certain that this topic is notable and that Wikipedia should have an article about it. As for the idea of merging/redirecting to Countertop, that would be like merging/redirecting German shepherd or Boston terrier or Poodle to Dog. There are many materials used for countertops, and we should have articles about each one of them that is notable. This is a discrete and notable topic. Cullen328 (talk) 03:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Solid surface product" is Ok, with "Solid surface" redirected to Surface science. However, I prefer WP:TNT. I just checked some of the sources and they have no bearing on the claims they are trying to justify. I think we are doing a disservice to WP by having articles full of unverified claims and unreliable sources. Without a reasonably sourced article notability is certainly not demonstrated. Ldm1954 (talk) 08:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be specific about some of the OR/SYNTH here:
To verify a claim that the same tools as used by wood can be used, a paper on the hardness of surface treated wood is quoted.

To verify a claim that additives such as crushed optical fibers can be used, a paper on a hydration process is quoted.
N.B., Countertop remains a strong merge candidate as it is quoted as the main use multiple times. However that page is equally bad in sourcing. Ldm1954 (talk) 08:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. The topic is notable. That is what matters most. Cullen328 (talk) 08:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noble Senior Secondary School

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This article about Noble Senior Secondary school fails to meet the standards of WP:GNG due to a lack of Significant Coverage. 1keyhole (talk) 07:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non notable school that has stayed too long. It was very chaotic to find sources in my before search because there are tons of similar names and when narrowed to a geo-location it brought nothing. It fails WP:GNG. Mekomo (talk) 13:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is that difficult to do a valid search, then how do you actually know that it fails GNG? WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG --Altenmann >talk 14:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dildarnagar#Education, where it is already mentioned. Per the Wikipedia:Editing policy, Wikipedia's goal is not to delete objective, factual information. If we can't find enough sources to justify a separate article, we should merge it up instead of deleting it completely. Also, Hindi and Urgu are the usual languages in this area, and it would be good if someone who can read those languages would figure out the local non-English name and search for sources. We are probably missing some. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Worthy (record producer)

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Not notable. As pointed out by Rift, the sources appear to be paid coverage, and the article appears to be written by undisclosed paid editors. See Talk:James Worthy (record producer)#Conflicts of interest. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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See also this edit. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete A familiar pattern: Discogs, Soundcloud, Facebook, no RS. Fails WP:GNG Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Lots of "profiles" of Worthy on the web, yet they're all PR-firm-written puff pieces. I don't see any in-depth coverage from independent journalistic sources. Rift (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diana Plotkin

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Refs are either blank or passing mentions.No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years. scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The activist falls bellow GNG and WP:SIGCOV as she received single mentions in almost all sources reviewed, though a few behind paywall which could be assessed. The number of trivial mentions also fall short of WP:NBASIC. Mekomo (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivial mentions only, lacking in-depth and significant coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Beverly Wilshire Homes Association, as I suggested when I deprodded this one, as it seems her notability lies with this group. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a also a WP:BLP, and there is no sufficient secondary coverge to pass WP:SIGCOV which was the primary reason it was on the cat:nn list. All these references are passing mentions and not really about her. Any BLP needs high quality WP:SECONDARY source to establish notability, not passing mentions. It states it in the open line of the policy "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". Even for a small merge, there must be something. scope_creep^Talk 07:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Hunt

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Unable to locate any books reviews. Fails WP:NAUTHOR. Unable to find an reliable coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years and never been updated scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: One article here, but it keeps timing out [72], still not enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I deprodded this, but on further investigation it looks like it has been written by a combination of SPA/IP/the subject. There's a profile in NYT (Cohen, Joyce. Away From the Hammer and Quiet Enough for Poetry: He had been thinking Brooklyn, but he found what he wanted in Queens. New York Times. 8/13/2017, Vol. 166 Issue 57688, p4), which looks to be in the property section and doesn't address his poetry more than in passing; also a Proquest copy of the article Oaktree b mentions above (Hamlet, Isaac. Iowa poet goes from pigs to pearls. Press - Citizen Iowa City, Iowa. 10 Aug 2019: A.2.); I also found one sort-of-review piece quoting him with brief bio material (Working Out What to Do in the Hamptons This Summer? Tauer, Kristen, Nordstrom, Leigh, Wally, Maxine, Women's Wear Daily (May 24, 2019): 17). Not found much else on Ebsco/Proquest that isn't just him as an agent/editor. Poetry collections are notoriously sparsely reviewed and awards are often more important in this area, but I'm not familiar with the US minor poetry awards. With three different bits of press, plus the review in the article, and the award, I'd generally be leaning keep, but in view of the promotional history here, I'm undecided, willing to be persuaded either way. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I normally try and keep poets and poetry articles if I can as I believe they exhibit the height of human creativity and expression, living a life in a garret and suffering to express, that all denate notability even if only spoke off. Choosing that life is an aspect as well, which is important. However it is a BLP and there must be something there. The award has been given to few very famous individuals but didn't see him listed either on Wikipedia article or the actual site and couldn't find any other Steinback award for poetry. There is a fiction award, and a fellowship award but couldn't identify him. That was reason I sent up to Afd and didn't think he was notable. scope_creep^Talk 07:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St. Luke's Boys' High School

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the article has no live references and has been lacking citations since 2016.

I could only find some facebook groups and UK charity webpage about the school. 1keyhole (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Das verfluchte Jungfernloch

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I don't believe this is notable. It is mentioned as existing in folklore, which it does. However, these references don't feel notable to me. IDK, y'all help me out! Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep my German isn't very good, but there's references to this cave in books on a quick Google search and caves have very low notability thresholds. "These references don't feel notable to me" is a bad deletion rationale. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me clarify that. When I did my before search, I could only find sources that resolved to one or two sources. These were fairytales form around 1850-ish. However, there wasn't coverage of the cave. It might be worth having a article on the fairytale, but the current article dosent have adequate sourcing. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep You're really looking for a pass of WP:GEOLAND here, and there's plenty out there to pass that. I'll note the German page is 'Verfluchtes Jungfernloch' and searching that gets a load more hits. It's a cave, it's in Eisenach. We're home and dry, mateys... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khon Kaen Silk Festival

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Unsourced two sentence orphaned article that's been tagged for improvement for 4 years. I'm struggling to find any sources that show it meets WP:GNG, as everything either seems to be a simple "here is when the festival is" or Wikipedia mirror content. CoconutOctopus talk 19:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would support a merge into the Culture section of Khon Kaen, if I could actually find a suitable reference for it. Since I can't, I might have to lean delete for now. Procyon117 (talk) 15:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twenty years later, I've added a bit more and some sources (I don't use ref tags, but feel free to convert them if you must!). For what it's worth, I think we should keep, because it's a big event and there's certainly more to add when someone with better Thai comes along some time in the next two decades. Sources regarding rural Thailand are a bit more challenging to find, but we're hopefully still trying to reduce our Anglo-Saxon bias. Henry ^Flower 19:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure those sources are independent enough for them to help the article meet GNG. CoconutOctopus talk 19:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google news search of the festival: [73] --Lerdsuwa (talk) 03:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate this! Wasn't able to search in Thai and searching in English didn't give me anything I felt made it reach the threshold. CoconutOctopus talk 08:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep as very big national or regional festival. Next time, please do research first and then nominate for deletion. Thanks ManoiCMU (talk) 06:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have sources that help this article meet the notabilitu requirements then that's fantastic, please add them. As I stated, I did search, and didn't find anything (presumably as there's not much in English about it). Please don't assume I 'didn't do research'. CoconutOctopus talk 08:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. There is coverage on the festival in Gerson, Ruth (1996). Traditional festivals in Thailand. Oxford University Press. p. 72. In searching for both "Silk and Phuk Siao Festival" and the "Khon Kaen Silk Festival" the festival was covered in pretty much every published travel guide for Thailand for the past few decades. I recommend searching "Khon Kaen" "Silk Festival" because many more sources pop up that way. Thai media also covers the festival by looking in google news in Thai using: "เทศกาลไหมขอนแก่น" and "เทศกาลผ้าไหมและผูกเสี้ยว", and there also is some coverage from Thai media in English. Was a WP:BEFORE done?4meter4 (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trucks and Bus Company

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Fails WP:NCORP. I noticed this was nominated over 10 years ago with a decision to keep. However those sources fail WP:SIRS as they are not in-depth. The criteria for companies are much more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 06:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG.4meter4 (talk) 01:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Music Group

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Fails NCORP. WP:BEFORE turns up nothing more substantial than the references already used, most of which are a) listings or b) no longer accessible. (The exception is XXL, which is a Q&A with Nyzzy Nyce, who founded Hurricane Music Group. The Nyzzy Nyce article was (soft) deleted in 2022.) JSFarman (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I was completely sideswiped by source1 - the Indiana Secretary of State? Why? What? How? I still don't get the connection. The usual discogs/social stuff out there, nothing to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:GNG even before we get to NCORP. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Duck Down Music Inc. per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McGary, Indiana

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Here we have a bit of source over-interpretation, because the cited history does not say that Hugh McGary owned anything there; it merely says "of McGary's Station". And indeed, the topos go way back here, far enough to show, yes, a station with a siding, and no town. Presumably the station was named after him or a relative, but it doesn't say he owned the land that because a town, because no town seems to have happened. Mangoe (talk) 03:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, just a non-notable non-populated place that fails WP:GEOLAND. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of ever having been a legally-recognised populated place (i.e., incorporated town as required by WP:GEOLAND). FOARP (talk) 14:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gudgel, Indiana

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Yet another rail station, made utterly clear by a 1906 topo showing the station building standing in glorious isolation on its siding. I tried other searching but found lots of references in the county history to people named Gudgel, none to a place of that name. Mangoe (talk) 03:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Appears to have been a non-notable rail point, not a community. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Baker asserts there was a "village" here, citing the WPA files (presumably the Roosevelt-era Works Progress Administration) but Baker is of dubious reliability, and even if true this would not be legal recognition of the place as a populated community as required by WP:GEOLAND. FOARP (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giannis Agouris

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Declined prod, unreferenced article (also Greek version unreferenced). Searched his name in English and Greek in google news and google books and only yielded 1 hit. Fails WP:AUTHOR and WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 03:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This article has lived a charmed and unreferenced life since 2007, creating the usual citogenesis out there. Of notability, however, there is none. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I deprodded this article; I believe the subject may be notable if only as the editor of Naftemporiki, which our article confirms is a major Greek newspaper. However I have to admit that my searches are not coming up with anything; it probably needs someone who is knowledgeable about searching Greek periodicals from the pre-internet era. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the last name Αγγούρης should be transliterated as Angouris, not Agouris. Per the Romanization of Greek, the γγ is an 'ng', which might be making English-language results limited. Kazamzam (talk) 19:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hints of notability, being indexed in the VIAF/Greek national library is something, but I don't find sourcing we can use... Oaktree b (talk) 16:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vidhya Bardan Boarding English School

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The article has never had any independent or reliable sources in its 9 years of existence. Deletion was initially proposed on account of having no sources. Since then, the only source provided has been the school's own Facebook page. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I couldn't find a clear redirect target (Koshi Province has an education section, but there's no education district to redirect to), the school has no SIGCOV. There does seem to be some confusion as to whether this is Vidhya Bardan Boarding English School or Vidhya Bardan English Boarding School. In either guise, there is no notability. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: dosen't meet sigcov standards for a private school 1keyhole (talk) 06:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of schools in Nepal.4meter4 (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure that works. That page seems to refer to largely refer to schools with articles. Those with redlinks are tagged as needing cleanup. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merging/redirecting is the normal approach to schools that we don't want to have separate articles about. However, it is more usual to merge to the city/location, which would be Phidim Municipality in this case. I think the suggestion to redirect is a good one. Just create a quick ==Education== section with a sentence along the lines of "Vidhya Bardan Boarding English School is a private boarding school in the city". All the schools in every city should be described in the article about the city. When the city is small enough, as in this case, they should be named, but of course for a very large city you'd be more likely to write something like "There are 200 schools serving 60,000 students in the city".

This is another WP:BEFORE difficulty, because the sources that would prove notability were probably written in Limbu or Nepali. I suspect that nobody in this discussion tried to find the name of this school in those scripts, or to directly check news media from the local area. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case it might be worthwhile to see if there is a corresponding article on those Wikipedias with better sourcing. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NSCHOOL. Can't base an article on a sole Facebook source. LibStar (talk) 05:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas, Indiana

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Another rail point/post office elevated to a village by Baker. The facts on the ground and on maps aren't as ironclad on this one, but there is a lack of positive evidence beyond Baker's statement. Mangoe (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm pretty sceptical when the only evidence that this place was ever a community is the single word "village" used in a one-paragraph description. Particularly when no incorporation ever happened, to be platted means that plans for a town at the location were filed, but that does not mean those plans were ever necessarily realised. The fact that the two names for this place (Maxams, Douglas) were simply the name of the post master during their period strongly suggests that this was only ever a post office - that is, not a community, but a single building or store. If an ATD is needed a redirect/merge to Center Township, Gibson County, Indiana can be done, but the reality is the only verifiable information that can be merged there is the name of the post master, which is surely not WP:DUE. FOARP (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quadling Country

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This article was brought to my attention after it was brought up in the Wikipedia Discord server, and I did some digging on my own, and this location doesn't seem to be independently notable of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The current article's sources are entirely plot summaries and what appears to be a self-published blog post, and a BEFORE in News, Books, and Scholar turned up nothing except TRIVIALMENTIONS, plot summary, and the text of the original work it was featured in. This article doesn't satisfy GNG given a distinct lack of SIGCOV, and should likely be redirected to Land of Oz, where the subject is mentioned several times and of which Quadling Country is apart of in-universe, as an AtD. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. A search only shows WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs and plot recaps, without WP:SIGCOV that can provide meaningful reception and analysis. A redirect to Land of Oz could be an WP:ATD. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Land of Oz. There is detail and there is insane level of detail and this is the latter. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Land of Oz - While there are plenty of mentions of it as part of broader discussions of Oz as a whole, I am not really seeing enough significant coverage on Quadling specifically that would really justify having a separate article. As it is discussed throughout the main article on the Land of Oz, redirecting there is a preferable WP:ATD. Rorshacma (talk) 07:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I went through the sources and added one. For the sake of explanation, I'm going to exclude the primary source since that can't give notability. That leaves us with three sources:

The Dictionary of Imaginary Places: Written by a very notable academic (Alberto Manguel) and put out by a reliable publisher, the source looks great on the surface. The issue with it is that as others have stated, it is just an overview of Oz history with no critical insight into any of it. I'd see this as generally usable for notability-purposes, but it's not the strongest possible source when it comes to establishing how a specific country within Oz is notable.
Fairy Tales Reimagined. This was one I added. It's a McFarland book, so definitely usable as a source without question. The book does give some critical overview into the world from what I can see, although it's somewhat mentioned more in relation to the character of Elphaba in Gregory Maguire's Wicked.
Nathan DeHoff blog: This is a SPS, so the issue here is twofold: is this person someone who would be considered a RS enough to overturn the general consensus that SPS are unusable and if so, does the source help establish notability. To answer the first part, I think that DeHoff could generally be considered a RS on the topic of Oz. He's written a few pieces for The Baum Bugle and he was also used as a resource this McFarland book. He's also been published by a couple of the more major, notable Oz organizations. That last part is a bit murky as far as establishing him as a RS goes, but does point towards him being generally considered an authority since those groups are kind of selective. However even if we were to all agree that DeHoff and his blog is usable, the bigger issue is with the second part of the problem. Coverage of the country is pretty light and when some commentary is given, it's not really about the country itself. At best this would make it a general overview of the history/plot of Oz.

I couldn't find any other sources. This leaves us with two sources that summarize the country in relation to Oz history but no critical commentary that would show why this country is independently notable. The other source has commentary, but not enough to do the heavy lifting to make up for the shortcomings of the other two sources. To add to all of this, the country is already generally well covered in the main parent article, to the point where I don't think we really need a spinoff article. I suppose the McFarland source could be used in the Maguire section of the article, but that would be about it. I think a basic redirect would suffice here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Here is an entry in The Wizard of Oz Encyclopedia: The Ultimate Guide to the Characters, Lands, Politics, and History of Oz; although the book seems more like a classroom resource for school teachers. There is some brief analysis/commentary in [74], [75], [76], and a rather odd thesis on cooking in Oz which discusses food and recipes in Quadling Country. I think there is maybe enough WP:SIGCOV to have an article, but ultimately it might just be better to cover this in Land of Oz.4meter4 (talk) 19:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect the sources above probably pass GNG, but this has such a high degree of overlap with the other page, is almost entirely in-universe content, and there isn't such an overwhelming amount of material to make it a clear pass, so per WP:PAGEDECIDE it is better to just cover it there PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicola Guglielmelli

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This has to be the shortest nomination in an AfD I've seen, but it does the job: the article presents nothing to pass WP:GNG and neither does a search. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 13:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Volodymyr Kulish

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~~Unreferenced BLP article. Cannot find significant coverage in sources from translated pages.~~ Withdrawn. I am mistaken; there are sources I did not realize I could access, so the article is in fact notable. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, Governor of Chernivtsi Oblast is a notable position equivalent to a United States Governor. Much of the subject's coverage is in Ukrainian [77][78] Microplastic Consumer (talk) 02:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep -- Subject meets WP:NPOL. JTtheOG (talk) 02:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, former governor. Ceriy (talk) 02:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)

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Non-notable political party. I was able to find very little independent sources online, and headlines like this aren't exactly promising. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective merge/ redirect to List of political parties in Namibia which is currently missing this party. It's a registered party and should be included in that list, but that's about it. It opted out of the most recent election. May be notable at some point, but as of now there is no WP:SIGCOV. See [79], [80], 4meter4 (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Falcone (disambiguation)

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Only one topic besides the primary topic. GilaMonster536 (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is a third topic listed there, under “see also”. Mario Falconi was moved to that section a couple years ago after being disambiguated with the other topics above. Per WP:SMALLDETAILS, a small spelling variant can be a valid reason to disambiguate and that would make this a three-topic dab page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added an Italian screenwriter to the page. There are now clearly enough targets for a disambiguation page.4meter4 (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tina Piermarini

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Has been tagged as promotional for a decade. Was created by a single-purpose account. Unclear that notability has been established. -- Beland (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Somewhat promotional article; sources appear to all be primary, trivial mentions and/or non-independent, resulting in no GNG or NBIO pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "She designed and implemented marketing and business development strategies for global companies" Wooh. WP:NOTCV - fails WP:GNG, sources are press releases, company announcements, passing mentions. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Ugh, entirely promotional. Wish this had been taken to AfD ten years ago, but no time like the present. Ravenswing 07:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above reasons. Mekomo (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTPROMO.4meter4 (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Board member doing business things, is about the extent of the article, as I read it. Nothing that seems to stand out from any other business executive. Links at the bottom are simply confirmation of employment activities, not showing notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ 刘玥; 张荣超 (2024-07-01). 鸿蒙原生应用开发：ArkTS语言快速上手 [Developing Native Applications on HarmonyOS: A Quick Start with ArkTS Language]. 人民邮电出版社. ISBN 9787115642509.
^ Way Lau. 鸿蒙HarmonyOS应用开发入门 [Getting Started with HarmonyOS Application Development]. Tsinghua University Press. ISBN 9787115642509.

[1] ttps://www.newagebd.net/post/politics/238360/bnp-appoints-three-more-members-to-chairpersons-advisory-council

[2] ttps://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bangladesh-minister-blames-murders-secular-bloggers-israeli-led-conspiracy-1563969

[3] ttps://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/print.php?ARTICLE_ID=74574

[4] ttps://today.thefinancialexpress.com.bd/politics-policies/trial-proceedings-against-bnp-leader-aslam-chy-to-continue-hc-1649010018

[5] 刘玥; 张荣超 (2024-07-01). 鸿蒙原生应用开发：ArkTS语言快速上手 [Developing Native Applications on HarmonyOS: A Quick Start with ArkTS Language]. 人民邮电出版社. ISBN 9787115642509.

[6] Way Lau. 鸿蒙HarmonyOS应用开发入门 [Getting Started with HarmonyOS Application Development]. Tsinghua University Press. ISBN 9787115642509.

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