Talk:Delayed sleep phase disorder

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Delayed sleep phase disorder article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find medical sources: Source guidelines · PubMed · Cochrane · DOAJ · Gale · OpenMD · ScienceDirect · Springer · Trip · Wiley · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3

Neuroscience Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Neuroscience, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Neuroscience on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.NeuroscienceWikipedia:WikiProject NeuroscienceTemplate:WikiProject Neuroscienceneuroscience articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Disability

Delayed sleep phase disorder is within the scope of WikiProject Disability. For more information, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.DisabilityWikipedia:WikiProject DisabilityTemplate:WikiProject DisabilityDisability articles

Medicine Mid‑importance

	Medicine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Medicine, which recommends that medicine-related articles follow the Manual of Style for medicine-related articles and that biomedical information in any article use high-quality medical sources. Please visit the project page for details or ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine.MedicineWikipedia:WikiProject MedicineTemplate:WikiProject Medicinemedicine articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Physiology Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Physiology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Physiology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PhysiologyWikipedia:WikiProject PhysiologyTemplate:WikiProject PhysiologyPhysiology articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.
	This article has been classified as relating to the physiology of the brain, nerves and nervous system.

Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically review articles. Here are links to possibly useful sources of information about Delayed sleep phase disorder.

PubMed provides review articles from the past five years (limit to free review articles)
The TRIP database provides clinical publications about evidence-based medicine.
Other potential sources include: Centre for Reviews and Dissemination and CDC

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2022 and 1 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Tanvikasliwal (article contribs).

"social jet lag" redirect to this page

I understand the rationale for the redirect of "social jet lag" to this page, for parsimony. However, not all of what is explained here is true for social jet lag. I.e. this page would need a paragraph at least, in my opinion.

I've added a section on comorbidity sourced by a new study which is using the term social jet lag even its title (Chronotype, Social Jet Lag, and Cardiometabolic Risk Factors in Early Adolescence, JAMA Pediatr. 2019;173(11):1049-1057. doi:10.1001/jamapediatrics.2019.3089). Here social jet lag was defined by actigraphy results and was treated as an exposure distinctly separate from chronotype.

Lastly, I'd like to alert folks to the fact that there is an article called cultural jet lag which to me reads like social jet lag. I added it to the "see also" section. May someone else pick up the discussion of a possible merger... --Wuerzele (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mixing social jet lag and delayed phase disorder seems to be a bit of an amalgame. Social jet lag "is a measure of misalignment between the individual’s schedule for work and their internal schedule" which presents as "shifts in their sleep between workdays and free days" [1]. The authors of the concept define social jet lag more broadly as "a measure of circadian misalignment. Circadian misalignment is described as an abnormal phase angle difference between two or more rhythms, be they just internal or both internal and external" [2], but the term "social" necessarily implies that one of those rhythms need to be socially defined. This can be exemplified with two counter-examples: 1) an individial with DSPD who has a night-shift work in phase with their circadian rhythm will still have a delayed sleep phase relatively to the day-night cycle, although they won't have any social jet lag nor chronic sleep deprivation; 2) an individual with a mixed chronotype (ie, non morning lark), which is the case of about 70% of the population (since morning larks represent about 30%) working at usual office hours will often display a social jet lag pattern with reduced sleep duration during the week and increased in the week-end[3]. Hence, I think social jet lag should be dissociated from circadian rhythm sleep-wake disorders. --85.27.2.10 (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"since morning larks represent about 30% [of the population]…" Huh? where did you get that figure?

"an individial with DSPD who has a night-shift work in phase with their circadian rhythm will still have a delayed sleep phase relatively to the day-night cycle, although they won't have any social jet lag…" Okay. What you're saying here is that "social jet lag" comes into play when people with DSPD have a job requiring a normal schedule. This is my experience. "Social jet lag" happens to me when I am forced to get up early, so I have no trouble conflating them. The test should be if social jet lag also occurs in people without DSPD. This is why I question your claim that 70% of people aren't "morning larks." It sounds like you're saying that 70% of the population have DSPD. MiguelMunoz (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DSPD revisions

There is a great body of information here! But it certainly needs some editing. The prose is inconsistent, the implications of the phrasing is often at odds, and for an understudied syndrome without great deals of real evidence behind it, the article needs a winnowing down significantly. Lead is far too long, studies not up to date, =Management= section is outdated/unhelpful verging on potentially harmful.

Please advise if you are averse to a relatively dramatic editing to make this article more concise and useful to the wikipedia audience. Darkskysunflowers (talk) 08:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No opposition after two weeks so I'm gonna edit, please give any feedback if you disagree with the edits. Darkskysunflowers (talk) 02:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously this page is a mess, I did my best at fixing the lead but the rest is entirely too verbose and doesn't speak to the topic at hand. Darkskysunflowers (talk) 03:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Night Owl"

The term "Night Owl" is introduced in the section on Presentation. I feel it should be used in the opening paragraph. Many people who come to this page don't use professional terminology, so it's helpful to include common jargon, especially in the introduction. I'm adding a quick sentence to include the term. I also included a link to the "Night Owl" article. I'm not sure if that should be a separate article. Curiously, it makes no mention of DSPD, which I intend to correct. MiguelMunoz (talk) 19:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]