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my talk page, I appreciate the kid gloves and the welcome. I do aspire to spend more time here and in fact I do want to become a Wikipedian! Chrisabraham

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Chick-fil-A

Please stop adding S Truett Cathy's death to the lead of the Chick-fil-A article. It doesn't belong there; the details of his death belong in his own article only. And additions need to be in plain language - so using words like 'died' instead of euphemisms like 'passed away' - and you need to put actual dates in, rather than 'this morning', which will be out of date by tomorrow. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I am currently trying to add a reference to the Original Chicken Sandwich page stating that Chick-Fil-A offered the first original chicken sandwich and the cited reference was reverted. I want to know how best to address this issue and see if there is any way the existence of the Chick-Fil-A version of the sandwich can -- and should -- be added to this very generally-named page. Possibly as a one-liner or even by changing the name of the page to "Original Chicken Sandwich (Burger King)" Here's the original edit I made:

Chick-fil-A is credited with inventing the Original Chicken Sandwich.^[1]

Please let me know how I should go about this. Thanks! Chrisabraham (talk) 13:01, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have access to the full WSJ article, but does it really say the Original Chicken Sandwich, the Burger King menu item, was invented by Chick-fil-A? I rather doubt that. And who invented chicken sandwiches in general is irrelevant to the article on the Burger King menu item. It might have a place at the chicken sandwich article, though Jerem43 cautioned that the claim of inventing chicken sandwiches may not be "entirely true". As the capitalization suggests, "Original Chicken Sandwich" in that article is used as a proper noun, and there can't really be any confusion, from either the title or the content, regarding the intended topic. Huon (talk) 22:20, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The line from the obit is this:

After some early setbacks, Mr. Cathy invented the original Chick-fil-A sandwich in 1964, considered to be the first fast-food chicken sandwich, The bold is my emphasis. And as stated by Huon, the article is about the Burger King product by that name, not general chicken sandwiches. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:50, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Sally Falkow

Hello Chrisabraham,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Sally Falkow for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. One life to live (talk) 18:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Seattle (talk) 03:57, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paid editing

I have a question: are you a paid editor? Your comments in a marketing video posted to ANI give off the impression that you are. The thing about paid editing is that you absolutely and positively MUST state this up front, preferably on your userpage. You also MUST let Wikipedia know which companies have paid for you to edit their pages. It doesn't matter if the companies want privacy, you have to be transparent in what you're editing and who is paying you. Not stating your COI up front and being transparent about paid editing can lead to you getting blocked from editing if it looks like you're deliberately trying to hide it and if it looks like you aren't trying to edit within Wikipedia guidelines. I can't stress how important transparency is when it comes to paid editing. You can still edit if you're a paid editor, but it is extremely important that you follow the rules and guidelines for notability, neutral editing, sourcing, conflicts of interest- the whole works. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:02, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tokyogirl79: over the last few months, yes, I have been offered some consulting gigs where I am a paid editor. I hadn't actually done anything like this since 2005 -- you can look at my logs -- and I believed that by doing it in my own name and by doing it with 3rd party references I was doing this the correct way. Apparently that is not the case. So, in order to be more transparent I made the video that aspired to show, more clearly, best practices on how best to engage with Wikipedia. I felt like I did a good job -- except I never mentioned on Wikipedia or on my personal page that I have started doing that work. Because I wasn't quite sure as to the protocol. Is there any way I can make this right? Is there any way I can continue helping these new clients and also help people I write for also become better editors? Anyway, yes, I hope I can make this right. I in no way have been trying to be deceptive, I just didn't know how to be fully transparent, either. I was fully aware that anyone who knew my username could audit the changes I have made over time. I was in no way trying to be deceptive to Seattle either. I realized that he had probably seen my video and that he was tracking me through Wikipedia. I wish I had done my transparency differently but I did it the only way I knew how, though being personally open. I missed the part on how to also be transparent on Wikipedia, here. I would appreciate your help and the help of Seattle to do this. I was not trying to be sneaky but I can see how saying that discretion of my clients could make it seam that way -- I just wanted to focus on the Virtual Team Challenge and not on anything else. VTC is not a client, it's just a passion. What should I do to make this right? What can I do to continue forward? I appreciate your kindness and if we're able to correct my behavior -- I full intend to -- I will, of course, do whatever you require in order to comply Chrisabraham (talk) 09:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing you do need to do is to make a comment on the talk page saying that you do have paid edits and name the companies/articles that you're editing. Since you aren't involved with VTC, you may want to put down that you are making edits for fun as well and put down a disclaimer that says something along the lines of "only the articles listed here are ones that I have a COI with". That way it shows that you are making non-paid edits for fun like the rest of us. I do have to say that you wanting to better learn the policies is a mark in your favor. I won't lie, being a paid editor on Wikipedia is hard because there hasn't been a lot of good precedent set for this. Most haven't done what you're doing now (trying to learn policy, fix any past mistakes, etc), so again- wanting to learn is a really good sign. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:19, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- That's nice of you to say Tokyogirl79 but I didn't do it very elegantly at all. But, like I said, I really wanted to start off as transparently as possible which is why I try to be as 3rd party relevant as possible. May I ask you which talk I need to discuss all of this with? Yes, I am sure that being a paid editor has a terrible reputation and that I will be held to extreme standards. And that I started on a bad foot in the first place. Do I regret doing the video? No, because I like being a teacher, a trainer. Those videos I do are done for free, for exposure, and to help my colleague. And, if I am giving bad advice, I am happy to discover that ASAP and offer disclosures as well. Again, I appreciate your kindness in this matter Chrisabraham (talk) 09:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Are you talking about the ANI discussion? You can find that here. I also want to recommend that you request a mentor via this page. This way you'd have someone dedicated to answering questions. (The WP:TEAHOUSE is good for this in general, to be honest.) Also something to be careful about is phrasing, as it's sort of a common pitfall for marketing people since you're used to writing in a promotional format for your daily job and it's easy to miss words that seem neutral to you, but come across promotional to others. (In all fairness, there are a lot of words that can catch people up because it doesn't seem like it'd be a buzzword or WP:PEACOCK term but has been so frequently used in that capacity that it takes on those qualities.) That's where the mentorship would come in handy since you would be able to go to them and ask if this or that phrase sounds OK or not. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interests

I have two friends who have books out and I think I would like to discuss what their books are about in the context of the content they wrote about. The first book is Mindful Business by David Gelles and the other one is The Creator's Code by Amy Wilkinson. Neither has asked me to read their books and I am not being paid. I did receive their books from their publishers for free because I do do book promotion and publicity; however, this isn't anything they've asked me to do and I have not yet actually done this Chrisabraham (talk) 10:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Best not to. Make a note on the Talk page and leave it for others to review. Guy (Help!) 13:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk to..

CorporateM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), the only user I have come across who is actually capable of walking that particular tightrope properly. Guy (Help!) 13:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I work with a lot of PR agencies as partners professionally and have a long history of creating Wikipedia's better articles on behalf of the article-subject. If you need advice, I'm a good person to go to; you can also feel free to contact me by email if you need advice on how to handle specific client situations. However, I won't knowingly get involved in article-space on relevant pages.

First thing though; you need to add this template to the Talk page of each page you have contributed to with a financial connection and add a list of such pages on your user page. This is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use,[1] and not doing so may violate astroturfing laws (see here and here for more info). CorporateM (Talk) 14:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm watching your vid; Wikipedia is a no-follow website, so there is no SEO benefit to links. You can find more information at Wikipedia:External links, however every company or BLP page should have a link to their website both in the infobox and in the External links section as an "Official link". This particular section of the video is where it starts sounding dubious, especially as you talk about being "persistent" in controversial areas, where you are suppose to be especially cautious. CorporateM (Talk) 14:38, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If only more people were able to grok this rather obvious truth. Thank you for advising Chrisabraham, I hope he takes you up on your offer of further support. Guy (Help!) 16:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm here. I'm very appreciative. I'm going to be spending most of the day sorting everything out. I surely want to come into complete compliance. I surely do appreciate your patience and kindness with me. I know that this will be a long haul but I am appreciative that I have not been drummed out if the Corp without a little room for contrition, whether I deserve it or not. Thanks to CorporateM for taking me on on this. Chrisabraham (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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My mistake. In just getting my sea legs. I'll remove the two I did add and week remember to put them only on talk pages. Sorry Bbb23 Chrisabraham (talk) 16:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I assumed it was a mistake. Just wanted to point it out (I had reverted them before I came here).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:05, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm about to start going through some intense Wikipedia boot camp. Chrisabraham (talk) 18:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it's not like the Marines. Good luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should I bring down the video, blog posts, and presentation?

I would like to ask you, @Seattle:, @Tokyogirl79:, @Cullen328:, and @CorporateM:, if it would be best for me to take down all of the instances of my recent webinar: videos, presentations, and blog posts? I think I am just giving a lot of bad information. That said, I am not trying to "hide evidence" so I would prefer to ask you permission, if you will, before I move forward. Please let me know, since there's very little in that webinar that is very true, and probably does more harm than good. Please let me know. Chrisabraham (talk) 20:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That may not be a bad idea, mostly because there's stuff in there that could be seen as incorrect. Although... a thought did occur to me: some time in the future when you're more familiar with the policies it may not be a bad idea to make a new video, one aimed at teaching other marketing people how to properly edit Wikipedia. It's not something to make now, but the more I think about it the more I think that it may be a good idea to actually have a video or information about this, written on the layman's level, from the perspective of a marketing person for other marketing people. In other words, a video teaching others about the dos and donts, talking about how to make a good article, common words that can be seen as WP:PEACOCK terms (and should be avoided), and so on. We've got sections about it on Wikipedia, but I don't think that there's anything out there from the perspective of someone in marketing and sometimes that can make a difference, since you may be able to phrase things in a way we hadn't thought of yet. Of course this wouldn't be done now, but it's something to think about for the future. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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If you have any questions or need help on something, just let me know! You are definitely allowed to edit the article and are in-fact an ideal editor to do so. CorporateM (Talk) 22:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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