Talk:SAT

SAT test Spain

SAT test in spain is the only test used in many english language universities or to enter some majors. For example.. to study computer science in the university of murcia UMU the SAT is required with a score of 1500 minimum. To study medicine in barcelona the SAT is required along side the regular spain college entrance exam. The only other country to do that is israel.

Somebody forgot to sign. Nerd271 (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Logo

@Nerd271: Agh! I was previously using the logo with the College Board 'acorn' logo attached (which I believe is above the threshold of originality), but later removed it to just use the SAT logo. For some reason, though, I still thought it was non-free. Thanks for catching that! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I've also reverted the squishing issue. Apparently setting a height override works differently between my computer and MediaWiki's SVG rendering. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tol: Cheers! I thought we were making a comedy or something. LOL! Nerd271 (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Switch to digital format

I've just added some information about the switch to the digital format, which started outside the U.S. in March of 2023 and will probably be in use in States starting March 9, 2024. Since the digital test takes an hour less to do than the paper-based one, it will soon be necessary to modify mentions of the duration of the test (two hours instead of three) in other parts of the article. Tptasev (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Addition of material from psycholinguist Steven Pinker

Nerd271 is insisting that this article include the following:

According to psycholinguist Steven Pinker, not only is the opacity of holistic admissions frustrating for college-bound high-school students and their parents, the policy also forces them to participate in extracurricular activities of dubious value in order to increase the competitiveness of their applications. Standardized testing, on the other hand, would ensure meritocratic admissions.

Pinker has no expertise in college admissions so I fail to see how his opinion is WP:DUE. Nerd271 insists that "But he is a psychologist and a university professor. He is well inside academia." but being a psychologist and a professor doesn't make one an expert on admissions. If I'm incorrect and he does have a substantive background in admissions, please accept my apologies. But simply working at an organization, especially one as complex as a modern, Western-style college or university, doesn't give someone significant expertise in any of its specific, complex processes (except for the specific processes in which one has worked, of course!). ElKevbo (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

First, it is an opinion, and is clarified as such. Second, he is an insider, so his opinion might be worth reading, even if you disagree. If a whistle-blower were to divulge the secrets of holistic admissions, Pinker's thoughts could be removed or replaced as appropriate. But for now, it is a black box for most people. If we can include the aggregate opinions of many prospective students and parents, who think that holistic admissions is vague, and we should, then including the opinion of a long-time academic is not unreasonable. Nerd271 (talk) 00:06, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

But why is his opinion something that should be included in this article on this topic? Especially when there are a tremendous number of articles and other materials written by people with substantive, demonstrated expertise? I understand that Pinker is very prolific and readily offers his opinion on many topics but that in no way obligates us to include his opinion on topics outside of his realms of expertise.

So once again I ask: What demonstrated expertise does he have in college admissions?

Further, why does your opinion on this give you the ability to override the status quo by reverting other editors who challenge your addition of this material? ElKevbo (talk) 00:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

But what do parents and students know about admissions? If anything, an academic like Pinker might know more than parents and children. I reverted your edit because I disagree with you, in the same manner you that reverted me in the past because you disagreed with me. I never held that against you. Why the question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerd271 (talk • contribs) 20:15, July 9, 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't think that the opinion of a random parent or student would be something we'd include an encyclopedia article, either. Simply being "an academic" doesn't make Pinker or any other faculty member, administrator, or staff member an educated expert in admissions.

I object to your reversion of another editor's revert of your addition, especially when you do so without opening a discussion in Talk, because we try to stick with WP:BRD - and with over 12,000 edits you should know that. ElKevbo (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Opinions of parents and students are already included in the aggregate. Professor Pinker is one of the more outspoken of academics, at least on this issue. Besides, his opinion is attributed, so I don't see a problem with including it. I object to your insistence that your revert constitutes the "status quo" since the article was influx. Nerd271 (talk) 00:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Being an "outspoken academic" doesn't meet WP:DUE or any other criterion for inclusion in an article. If you want to add material to an article and another editor challenges that addition then the burden is on you to develop a consensus to support your addition. ElKevbo (talk) 00:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I will keep editing the article the way I choose. Your objection lies in what you think of holistic admissions rather than with what might be wrong with it from the perspective of students, parents, and faculty members. I will find more information on this topic and include it as appropriate. Nerd271 (talk) 00:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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