Talk:Urban Meyer

Additional information needed

1. Family background—details about parents and siblings? Urban Meyer is the father to four children: Nicole Meyer, Nathan Meyer, Gisela Meyer, and most importantly Jim Harbaugh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.102.127.210 (talk) 17:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

2. Details about high school education and sports?

3. Details of University of Cincinnati playing career?

4. Any other loose ends?

Please leave comments, questions, suggestions below. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

# of Big Ten East Titles

Meyer does in fact have a Big Ten East title in 2015, 2016. That makes 5 Big Ten East Titles and thus 7 Conference Titles for every year at OSU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:282:8001:265:84FD:7B4:848C:B684 (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Roman Catholic

Someone added a Roman Catholic category tag to this article. Although it may seem obvious from his name (Pope Urban), I couldn't find any solid looking references that say he's Catholic (or more importantly, where he self-identifies as Catholic). In fact, I found this reference [1] that says that he's not actually named after the Popes. If anyone can find a reference that says he is Catholic, please add it Cogswobbletalk 00:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

There was an article in the Gainesville Sun a couple days back that talks about how he was raised Catholic and his wife protestant...

[Shelley] Meyer, the oldest of five from the small town of Frankfort, Ohio, was raised in a Protestant family, attending church three times a week. Her husband was raised Catholic.

Together, they've spread their faith from their home onto the football field.

"Spiritual health is very important to our kids and our players. It's very important to us," Meyer said. "Faith is the only thing that can get you through the hard times."

The Meyer family attends church together at Queen of Peace, where Nikki and Gigi take classes for Catholic sacrament.

However, they also attend Protestant churches in the area. Meyer said she and her husband want their kids to decide what church they want to attend when they're 18. [2]

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wtstoffs (talk • contribs) 18:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Also in the Year end issue of Sports Illustrated said that he helped raise money for a Catholic school. It doesn't prove he's Catholic though. Hatmatbbat10 (talk) 17:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ESPN article has a Meyer quote saying he is Catholic, and why he picked Florida over Notre Dame.[3] --Mtjaws (talk) 20:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Notre Dame rumors

The paragraph discussing Meyer's real and rumored connections to Notre Dame has been deleted a couple of times, but I really think it should stay. This issue got LOTS of coverage in the national media on several different occasions, to the point that Meyer had to hold a news conference to state that he wasn't interested in leaving UF.

So even though nothing has come of it, users might be looking for this info, so it should definitely be kept in the text, at least in a less prominent location. Anyone have thoughts on this? Zeng8r (talk) 14:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

He goes to one of the largest catholic churches in Gainesville. There are also photographs of him attending an Ash Wednesday service at St. Augustine Catholic Church in February. Nuff said —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.6.195 (talk) 16:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Moore Recruiting Scandal

From what I can tell, it was started with a second hand interview with Moore's girlfriend which was taken out of context, and other interviews with her clarified the situation before the scandal even started... since then, both UF's NCAA rules compliance department, and the NCAA itself have found no wrongdoing. So... how long will this be a 'scandal'? Is it even relevant now, a week after, being a tempest in a teapot? Perhaps it could be worked into a larger section on Meyer's reputation as a recruiter? I mean, the NCAA 'outlawed' text messages largely because of Meyer's extremely heavy usage of them... But this "controversy" simply seems like it will be completely devoid of value even next week, and is close to that now... unless somebody gives me a compelling reason why it should be kept, I'm going to remove it at the highly specific deadline of "nebulous, uncertain time in the future when I feel like it". -FrYGuY (talk) 13:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it was Ron Zook who pushed the text message envelope (see [4] [5] [6] ) while at Florida, but there actually is no limit to texting according to those links. Anyway, you're right in that an investigation that leads to nothing is pretty useless information on Wikipedia. Kelvin Sampson, who's been investigated and found in violation of NCAA rules at least twice, deserves a mention of it. WTStoffs (talk) 06:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Contributors to the "Urban Meyer Spread"

As far as I know, the people whom Urban Meyer studied to develop his version of the spread are (In no particular order) Bill Snyder at Kansas State, John Smith and Scott Linehan at Louisville, Randy Walker and Kevin Wilson at Northwestern, Joe Tiller and Jim Chaney at Purdue, and Rich Rodriguez while he was at West Virginia.

I bring this up because somebody added a bit about Meyer's studying Snyder's use of the direct-snap to a running back. But if any of those coaches is to be mentioned, the single largest contributor to the Meyer Spread is clearly Rich Rodriguez, whose offense is largely similar to Meyer's. The bit on Snyder is misleading, as long as the other, larger contributions aren't in the article. If you wish to add the various coaches who contributed, then by all means, I feel it is an interesting and worthwhile contribution to make. However I feel that this deserves its own section in the article, rather than shoehorning one coaches name into Meyer's stint at Utah (ESPECIALLY when the experience predated his PREVIOUS head coaching gig, at Bowling Green). -FrYGuY (talk) 02:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

On this topic - please don't delete non-pov and plausable but unsourced material. Mark with , as it's then easier for others to either find a source or remove as inappropriate. Collaboration is good. Thanks... Zeng8r (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Resignation

Just to be clear, he is still the coach of the Gators. He will resign after the 2010 Sugar Bowl. ~Richmond96 t • c 00:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

If only one of those IPs would have known that, this last half hour would have been a lot less stressful. Grsz¹¹ 00:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The year (in the infobox) should be 2010 as well. That's when he is done, no matter what the season is. It's the 2009 season, and the 2010 Sugar Bowl, and he was the coach until the year 2010. Grsz¹¹ 00:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It's the season, not the year. See Bobby Bowden. He will coach the Gator Bowl, which is in 2010. ~Richmond96 t • c 00:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

While he has announced his intention to resign, he has has not yet and will coach (at least) one more game. The infobox should not list an end date for his Florida tenure until it has actually ended. While unlikely, he could still change his mind. See WP:FUTURE. Wine Guy Talk 00:35, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

What about Bobby Bowden. I think if he announces his resignation its safe to say he's gone. ~Richmond96 t • c 00:58, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:FUTURE states: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." It is certainly notable, and it is almost certain to take place. This is not a prediction or speculation therefore it is safe to say 2009 is his last season. ~Richmond96 t • c 01:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I concur. Enigma^msg 07:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The situation may have changed, the AP, NY Times, and ESPN are reporting that he will take a leave of absence instead of resigning [7]. This is no longer "almost certain to take place". Regardless of the semantics of leave of absence/resignation etc., it is a fact that as of right now he is the head coach, and will be at least through the bowl game. It's my view that listing an end date in an infobox indicates that the tenure has in fact ended, that's not the case here, and as of right now we do not know when that tenure will end. Wine Guy Talk 20:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. ~Richmond96 t • c 20:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep. With the new reports coming out, it's no longer almost certain. Situation has changed with the apparent about face. Enigma^msg 22:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Urban has just said in his press conference that he has a "gut feeling" that he will be the coach next year. ~Richmond96 t • c 22:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

After the bowl game, should Addazio be listed as the interim head coach? If so what will Meyer be listed as? ~Richmond96 t • c 01:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Good question, hard to tell at this point. I would guess that the situation will become more clear over the next week or two. We should wait and see how the University addresses that issue in the coming days, I'm sure the media will have a lot of questions regarding Addazio's role that will have to be answered. It will also be interesting to see what changes appear on the U of F athletic department listings. My guess is that they will list Meyer as Head Coach (*on leave) and Addazio as Off Coord. (*Acting head coach), or something similar. While some media are referring to Addazio as an interim, that's really not accurate. An interim is someone who does a job while a permanent replacement is sought for a vacant position. Wine Guy Talk 02:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

First paragraph

the last sentence of the introductory paragraph needs to be fixed. It either needs a semicolon (;) or a period before the word "however." I'd fix it if I could but the article is locked from editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.56.15 (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

 Fixed ~Richmond96 t • c 23:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Rna2dna, 10 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} There is an inconsistency/factual error in the "University of Florida" section of the Urban Meyer entry. It currently reads:

"Meyer has been criticized by some commentators because 25[27] of his players have been arrested during his nearly six years as the Gators' coach.[28] The seriousness of the charges has varied widely among the thirty players, from seemingly minor offenses such as possession of alcohol by a minor to the very serious charge of possession of a concealed weapon, and many of the charges were ultimately dismissed.[28] Meyer's punishments have also varied with the severity of the charge, with some players never missing game time and others being kicked off the team.[28][29]"

The first line of the paragraph states "25 of his players have been arrested", yet the second paragraph refers to "thirty players". The first number is referenced, but the figure is outdated. The correct number is referenced in the second sentence. The first sentence needs editing to update the figure and the reference.

It should read:

"Meyer has been criticized by some commentators because 30[28] of his players have been arrested during his nearly six years as the Gators' coach.[28] The seriousness of the charges has varied widely among the thirty players, from seemingly minor offenses such as possession of alcohol by a minor to the very serious charge of possession of a concealed weapon, and many of the charges were ultimately dismissed.[28] Meyer's punishments have also varied with the severity of the charge, with some players never missing game time and others being kicked off the team.[28][29]"

Rna2dna (talk) 12:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Someone forgot to collapse the template... :P elektrikSHOOS 22:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Urban Meyer does not run a West Coast Offense

I want you take it to a coaching forum and declare that he runs such an offense. I assure you that you will get a negative response. His offense is a "Spread Offense." A short passing game in a shotgun system DOES not constitute a West Coast Offense and it has no relationship to what Bill Walsh or any of the coaches of his tree runs. Meyer runs double and triple options and it has no links whatsoever to Walsh's system. It has no relationship to the pro-system and the footwork is totally different. (Ask Alex Smith) I suggest you take this question to the "Smart Football" website and they will probably tell you the real origins of the offense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.68.146 (talk) 01:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Here is the link

If you can't find it.... here is the link: http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/12/florida-gatorurban-meyer-offense.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.68.146 (talk) 01:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Minor quibble:

As someone unfamiliar with his early years or HS football in Ohio, this bit should be edited or explained "legendary St. Xavier head coach Steve Rasso": why is he "legendary"? Shouldn't someone with such an illustrious adjective thus have their own Wikipedia article? Or should that word be tossed for the sake of keeping NPOV? --184.97.166.100 (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 December 2011

See above: why is Rasso a "legend"? Cite well or strike the word. --184.97.166.100 (talk) 02:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2011

I would like a edit request for this page. Urban Meyer's birthplace is incorrect. His birthplace is listed as Ashtabula it should be Toledo, Ohio. The Toledo Blade archives and local TV media mention he was born in Toledo. Buckeyenation (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I have removed both instances of where he was born as they were unsourced/unsupported by the reference given. If you have a reliable source for his birth place feel free to post it here. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I have just removed the following comment from where it was accidentally posted. However, I think that a more precise source would be needed to include the information in this article. If an editor with some idea of the subject thinks it warranted, the current statement of birth place should be removed as unsourced. Johnuniq (talk) 06:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

According to Channel 11, WTOL TV Toledo, Ohio, Urban Meyer was born in Toledo, Ohio not Ashtabula, Ohio. Chanel 11 showed pictures of the home he lived in for I understand it was his first two years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.30.29.110 (talk) 03:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Toledo birthplace

The inclusion of Meyer's birthplace as Toledo in this article has been a source of contention among several editors for some time. I have now added multiple sourced footnotes for his birthplace of Toledo, Ohio (northwest Ohio), and for his having grown up in Ashtabula (northeast Ohio). The previous confusion apparently has arisen from Meyer's own description of his "hometown" as Ashtabula in multiple professional profiles and newspaper articles, and multiple reliable online sources have confirmed that he was raised in Ashtabula per WP:V and WP:RS. A handful of newspapers have carelessly described Meyer as a "native" of Ashtabula implying he was born there without expressly confirming Ashtabula as his birthplace. No reliable sources, however, explicitly state that he was born in Ashtabula. "Hometown" and "birthplace" do not necessarily mean the same thing, and in Meyer's case, they are different. A quick Google news search provides multiple news accounts from reliable sources stating his birthplace as Toledo. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 08:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Coaching Career

The lead paragraphs under the heading "Coaching Career" seem dated and contain some information of a much more specific nature than one would expect in a lead. Perhaps the information in these paragraphs could be reworked into the later sections where it can be presented chronologically, and then the lead can be reduced to perhaps a single summary paragraph.151.213.40.224 (talk) 01:11, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Coaching Tree: Tom Herman

Someone reverted an addition to the coaching tree with Tom Herman being hired by the University of Houston Cougars as their head coach. The hiring was announced on December 16, 2014. Though he's staying on for OSU's Sugar Bowl game, he is currently listed as the head coach here: http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tom_herman_940550.html Xombie (talk) 18:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Place of home.

He lives in Muirfield Village, could this be included in the section on personal life? Caleb David Smith (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Urban Meyer/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

==Picture== The picture on this page is bad for two reasons. 1) It shows Meyer wearing a black jacket, clearly an indication the picture was taken while he was coaching Utah. He now coaches Florida. 2) It is obviously pixelated, and just looks low quality. I was going to change the picture to a clearer shot of Meyer in Gator colors, but I found the picture on Google Images and it's from the Orlando Sentinel, so that would violate the terms of image use and be deleted. How are we supposed to find a picture of Meyer otherwise?

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Lead

I removed the mention of Meyer being placed on Administrative leave from the lead. This material is not present in the body and therefore out of place in the lead, which is a concise summary of the body. There are also BLP and NOTNEWS concerns. Mr Ernie (talk) 15:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I restored this to the body of the article, in a new section for the 2018 season. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jweiss11: thanks for that - that's probably what I should have done. Mr Ernie (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018

Big Ten East Division Champion (2014-2017) should be changed to include 2018 SpaceJax (talk) 03:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 12:40, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2018

Under accomplishments: please change/revert: 3x Big Ten East Division Champion (2014, 2017, 2018)[1] to 5x Big Ten East Division Champion (2014-2018)

Reasons for change and citation: Link to 2017 article for reference: https://bigten.org/sports/2018/6/6/championships-2017-football-html.aspx This article from 2017 leading up to the 2017 BG10 Championship game includes the following line: "The Buckeyes have earned at least a share of their division title for six consecutive seasons." (meaning 2014-2017 and they just won 2018's east title making 5 big ten east titles to go along with 2 leaders division titles) 2601:282:8001:265:D14B:C908:7FD1:5105 (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

 Already done with this edit Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 03:27, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Undefeated vs Michigan

Urban Meyer is the only coach in Ohio State history that is a perfect 7-0 vs Michigan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:805:4200:C4C0:808F:38DE:1C16:2A21 (talk) 05:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Former

Hi, I think there was a mistake. It says former assistant athletic director .

Great page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D210:2080:513:10C9:8C99:F9BB (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Question about Assessment

Why is a citation needed? It clearly states that the Circle of Trust information comes from the Sporting News exposé cited earlier in the paragraph. Do you really need to re-cite https://www.al.com/sports/2012/04/from_champs_to_chomped_how_urb.html in such a case?

(I'm not touching anything here bc I don't know wtf I'm doing, but I'm hoping I figured out how to ask this...)

Velsie (talk) 19:34, 12 September 2021 (UTC)velsie

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021

Change "The Jaguars won their first regular season game on October 17 against the Miami Dolphins by a score of 23–20. The Jaguars won their second regular season game when they defeated the heavily favored Buffalo Bills by a score of 9–6 on November 7, which ended up being the Jaguars' last win of the regular season."

to

"The Jaguars earned their first win of the regular season on October 17 against the Miami Dolphins by a score of 23–20. The Jaguars got their second win when they defeated the heavily favored Buffalo Bills by a score of 9–6 on November 7, which ended up being the Jaguars' last win of the regular season." Jmoney149 (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

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Wikipedia summary on google search results calls Jim a “disgraced” coach.

Why does the Wikipedia summary call him “disgraced”. That is an opinion…not a fact. 204.232.119.34 (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure; you'd have to ask Google, since Wikipedia can't control what Google does. --I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 18:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect Award

In the awards section, it is listed that Meter won 5 straight Big Ten East Division Titles from 2014-2018. This is incorrect. Meyer won 4 Big Ten East Titles as the head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes Football Team. In 2016, the Penn State Nittany Lions won the Big Ten East Division as well as the Big Ten Championship. So, the championship given to Meyer on this page is a mistake. 174.60.98.127 (talk) 05:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022

There is an error within Meyers awards and honors section. It states that he won 5 straight Big Ten East Division Titles with Ohio State from 2014-2018. This is false. In 2016, The Penn State Nittany Lions won the Big Ten East Division. Meyer actually won 4 Big Ten East Division Titles in 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2018. Alexstopper2 (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done : Additionally, 2015 went to the Spartans, so I changed it to 3x titles. casualdejekyll 19:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Place or residence

Siesta Key, Sarasota, FL 73.55.10.172 (talk) 00:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023

Where his career accomplishments are listed is says bational championships, not national. 2601:540:8200:C50:DA1:E183:793D:FB44 (talk) 05:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:29, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

"Coach Meyer" listed at Redirects for discussion

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NFL win percentage error?

2-11 record and it says .154. Should it not be .182? Yugandda (talk) 05:11, 7 October 2023 (UTC)