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who cares about her dads orgin it was obvious her parents were separated/divorced. the father did not take an active part in raising her. we do not even know if he acknowledges her as his daughter. it is the mother who raised her. it is so absured to me to see this as a first sentence to discribe the women's life. Could anyone write about her mom's influence? why are we still holding into these prejudices that a nationality is based on the father not the mother?

aside of the heritage thing. she is not a model to lead my life like her. She is a singer. and I love her voice and I like her music. 66.61.147.241 18:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC) amelia[reply]

This article needs some major re-writing. Unfortunately, I don't know where to begin. Anyone else? --Stephen Gilbert

Heritage

Sephardic Jew

I have no idea why it would hurt Natacha Atlas to have Sephardi blood.

Who knows? Her opinion. I don't see how your question helps improving the article? In fact, hijacking an artist for political/nationalist/ethnic reasons seems quite sad (and sadly widespread) practice to me. In my opinion (for what's worth it) Natacha Atlas is not "hurt" by the Sephardi label, but by the fact that people try to put a label of some kind. In fact, she's truly international and escapes labeling and gives a good lesson to those stuck-up minds who can't help categorizing the world around them. This whole discussion about her "origins" is to be cleaned of claims and counterclaims and stick to facts, i.e., that she was born in Belgium to a culturally Arabic father and British mother. cerniagigante (talk) 11:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is a Jewish Arab and before Islam that is what most Arabs was.

It may be helpful to read the Wikipedia article on Sephardic Jews.Efrafra 10:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I remember reading somewhere that it didn't hurt her personally, but it hurt her because of other people not being so open to that. Aggelophoros 22:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I believe this statement has been misunderstood. The claim that her father is completely ethnically Jewish was saying that her claiming Arabic ancestry was a fraud, which was not only hurtful but ridiculous considering that she grew up surrounded by Moroccan culture. Efrafra 10:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

North African heritage

Someone put her in Category as an Egyptian singer. This is inappropriate: She has no Egyptian heritage; she does not live in Egypt; she was not born there. Rather, she is of North African descent. To adopt some Egyptian musical styles does not make you Egyptian. A French performer of jazz does not become American simply by playing jazz. Dogru144 06:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She DOES have Egyptian heritage; her father's father was Egyptian; her father also has the Moroccan blood you're referring to. The question of whether or not she has the right to be called an Egyptian singer is whether or not mixed blood people count as much as others or not. Considering that she spends a lot of time in Cairo, I would think she could be the judge of this. Efrafra 10:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

Just wanted to note that, as a citation to back up her father's ancestry, I chose the Kennedy Center webpage as my source as a performing arts center would have been provided with a performer's bio details either directly from the artist or the artist's management. Other sources, such as magazine articles, would not necessarily be 100% accurate as often details are dug up by writers from 2nd/3rd-hand info on websites rather than from the interviewee themselves. This official site for Atlas' latest album includes this info in her bio as well.

My second citation is a magazine article, but I felt it was probably more likely to be accurate than others as I crosschecked it and found it to be cited in an academic paper by an anthropologist who had meticulously cited all his sources. This provided the information about the paternal grandfather and the fact that Atlas' father was born in Jerusalem. Efrafra 10:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

English, Spanish?

I met Natacha Atlas a while ago, when she did a concert in Miami Beach, and the woman did not speak any English or Spanish whatsoever....after the show my friend and I went to meet her backstage, and ask her for an autograph, my friend had to ask her in French cause she didn't seem to understand in English, or Spanish....So I wonder how much of the truth is written here in this article about all the languages she speaks (same goes with Shakira). I can sing some songs in Arabic even Greek cause I happen to learn the words...but that does not make me a fluent in those particular languages.

Despite all of these, she still is an amazing singer...her voice is truly magical.

--Raniya 20:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

She is most definately an english speaker. The DVD has a few interviews, and you can hear some radio interviews on the net where she is speaking english. I don't know how fluent she is in Arabic and french, but on the DVD she had an interview in Arabic, but she always kept going back into English because it was easier for her. Here is a link to a radio interview [1] and she has an "english" accent, for all intents and purposes, english is her native language. I don't know why she didn't speak to you in english though. Aggelophoros 08:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely speaks English...spent plenty of time in England and her mother was an English speaker. Maybe she just wasn't in the mood to speak English--or figured that if she could speak more comfortably in French with a French speaker, why bother with the English? Efrafra 11:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well my friend had a 15 minute conversation with her in French...I was telling Natacha how much I admired her in english, and my friend translated to her in french, she seemed very nice and sweet. I wonder why she didn't speak in english. She even misspelled my name in the autograph and my name is a very common 'english' name. One thing for sure is that she does not speak spanish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raniya (talk • contribs) 10 May 2006

Perhaps she just couldn't understand you (due to your accent, background noise, etc). -kotra 01:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Someone placed parentheses in the article, without connecting them with page references or anything else. Could the original author repair this, in conformity with wikipedia reference protocol? Dogru144 06:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Website

Just wanted to note why I changed the website in the info box--it was mistakenly noted as the official website, which is isn't. The natachaatlas.net site is a fansite that is run by a fan and authorized by Natacha Atlas and management. I don't believe that Atlas has a comprehensive website that includes a discography and contact info, but the Mish-Maoul site (which IS official) is the closest to an official website as it includes concert dates, news updates, and critical quotes. Efrafra 10:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changes to comply with WP:BLPPRIVACY

Due to concerns about inappropriate personal contact information, I have removed links to articles at www.sudouest.fr (dated 2010) and www.ladepeche.fr (dated 2011). If you have questions about these changes, please raise them here, but please do not post information that you think might be the private information of concern or re-add these links to the article without consensus. If you are in any doubt about additions you would like to make, please contact an OTRS volunteer or make a proposal on this page to reach a consensus. --Fæ (talk) 22:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moroccan father but "completely unsubstantiated Moroccan heritage"!?

Quote: Natacha Atlas was born in Schaerbeek, Brussels, Belgium, to an English Ashkenazi Jewish mother and a Moroccan Sephardic Jewish father born in Belgium. She has lived in Brussels, Egypt, Greece and England. Atlas is of Egyptian and Israeli ancestry, as per an interview she gave to Ha'aretz in 2014.[2] While she has variously claimed other origins (e.g.Palestinian, and Moroccan ancestry),[3] they remain completely unsubstantiated. [emphasis added]

I'm sorry, if her father is Moroccan, then her claim to Moroccan ancestry is unsubstantiated in what way? I am removing that part of the article. Brunswicknic (talk) 10:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]