Talk:Black Hundreds

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Proposed merge

Union of the Russian People as it is now must be merged/redirected into this article. Mikkalai 08:50, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Removed phrase

Removed: ...on the basis of the so called great-power chauvinism (великодержавный шовинизм) Right out of Communist textbook. This phrase refers to Russian colonialism (russification), rather than to black hundreds. Mikkalai 08:54, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Origin of the name

I think it would be good to include this in the article. The name Black Hundred ( Chornaya Sotnya , in Russian Черная Сотня ) shows the patriotic ideology and background of the movement. Back in 1380, the Prince of Muscovy Dmitriy asked the head of a sacred monastery, named Sergey Radonezhskiy ( who later became a major saint in the Russian Orthodox religion ) to bless him for the war against the Golden Horde invading Russia . The monk gave him his blessing , and has sent 100 of his monk-warriors to fight alongside the Prince' army. When the two armies faced each other on a decisive battle at the Kullekovo Pole, near the Don river, the battle started with a duel between the best Mongol horseman and Peresvet, one of the warriors Sergey Radonezhskiy has sent to defend the Russian land. It is believed that the hundred men showed deeds of courage and devotion, which inspired their compatriotes. That story is well known among the Russian folk, and the movement of Black Hundred chose to carry the name of those monk warriors - a symbol of their " devotion and patriotism ". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.9.184.122 (talk) July 2007

I agree that the origin of the name should be explained. Can anyone supply a reliable source? — Lawrence King ^(talk) 22:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Black Hundred vs. The Black Hundred

Which is it? Yours truly, --Ludvikus 23:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Russian history, Pogroms, and Antisemitism

Unfortunately, the above three phenomena are fundamentally linked. To the credit of the United States, it now acknowledges both Slavery and Racism as intrinsic parts of its history. It remains to be seen if the same is true for Russia and its nationals and nationalists.

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 00:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Anti-Semitism catergory, the Black Hundreds are a part of Russian History, not strictly about anti-semitism. This implies that anti-semitism was the only platform of the black hundred movement which it certainly was not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 01:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One should not whitewash this article. This was - whatever else - an antisemitic movement. And antisemitism is an essential part of Russian history. --Ludvikus (talk) 04:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and one should not make an aspect of a movement the central platform of a movement in a historical article. The main policy of the Black Hundred's was strict monarchism, not anti-semitism. Anti-Semitism was unfortunately a major part of the platform, but not its central focus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.43.227.18 (talk) 04:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was there really any non-russian members in the Black Hundred organization? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.89.115.40 (talk) 03:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rename this aricle

Because Russian plural "Black Hundreds" (Чёрные сотни) are no equal to singular The Black Hundred ("Чёрная сотня"), and have nothing in common with the content of this article. Black Hundreds were a common name for city suburbs in Russian Empire. It's not an idiom or name of organization, it's a part of administrative-territorial system. -- George Serdechny 13:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Black Hundreds seems to have been the English translation used in Soviet publications, see http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/aug/29b.htm, http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/sep/26.htm. Interestingly, 'Black Hundred' or 'Black-Hundred' is used as an adjective. --Soman (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All mistakes (even those which are done by V.I.Lenin) and mistranslations should be described in the article, but not in the title of it. I agree, that Wikipedia is free. But it still remains an encyclopædia. -- George Serdechny 14:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, this is an English encyclopedia, and it reflects anglophone usage, which may or may not be different from the russophone.-Galassi (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And... -- George Serdechny 17:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A-a-and... -- George Serdechny 17:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boris Brasol

Brasol came to the US as a representative of the Tsar with the Anglo-Russian Purchasing Committe in 1916. He is believed to have provided the English translation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and introduced Henry Ford to the work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.20.66 (talk) 09:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainophobia?

The Black Hundreds could not have possibly been Ukrainophobic back in the day - that is a jarring anachronism. They were active back in the times where the majority of them would consider Ukrainians to be Little Russians - I suppose even if we concede that they were hostile against Ukrainian nationalists, they were not so due to xenophobia but due to their intent to keep the triune Russian nation whole. Hell, I've heard somewhere long time ago that some fringe parties associated with the Black Hunders were an active cause of Little Russian nationalist movement. Their racism against Jews is well-known, some claim that they were racist against Poles, but this is the first time I am hearing that they were racist against Ukrainians. Can somebody with that book in the source confirm that this is what it is saying and that this is a reliable source of information? Otherwise this needs to be removed from the lead section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatientCompote (talk • contribs) 11:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not racist per se, just antiUkrainian. All the sources are legit.--Galassi (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prove to me that the sources are legit. PatientCompote (talk)

Pogroms

The article only briefly mentions that the organization incited Pogroms. This should be extended. Its members were organized and executing many Pogroms themselves, killing thousands of Jews. דב ט. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:35, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do not confuse with the black guards

I think this should included a note about a different revolutionary group called “the black guards” which later had grown into “ Revolutionary Insurgent Army of Ukraine” or “Black army” from Nestor Makhno’s movement Makhnovshchina.

Which is the opposite of what the whole movement he had stood for compared to the “Black Hundreds”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurgent_Army_of_Ukraine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guards

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhnovshchina Shelly098 (talk) 03:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]