Talk:Su Shi

Move or Redirect

This Song Dynasty poet is referred to more frequently by his courtesy name, i.e. Su Dongpo. IMO Su Shi should only be a redirect. 大将军, 都督中外诸军事 (talk) 22:52, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Oh, it is just my lazy way to create Su Shi (there was no link to Su Shi). Anyway, I don't think it matters. :P wshun 20:44, 26 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I agree with referring to him by his courtesy name. I feel that if he chose a pen name under which to publish his poetry, then when writing about him as a poet we should respect his choice -- and that it is therefore important. I have seen the name reliably transliterated as "Su Tung P'o" and think that this choice ought to be mentioned in the article and that there should be a redirect from this as well. People should also be able to search for him as "Su Shih" and as "Su Shr," both of which names appear in anthologies. I'm new as a Wikipedia editor, and also illiterate when it comes to explaining transliterations Chinese names -- so I'd appreciate it if someone else would do these things. But we do need to make sure that visitors to Wikipedia can find this article, no matter what the source of their individual interest or what references led them here. William P. Coleman (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Su Tung P'o and Su Shih are Wade Giles transliterations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.184.148 (talk) 04:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits

With my recent edits, I have elevated Su Shi to b class, which the article deserves now in the least.--PericlesofAthens 09:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jushi

Jushi is nothing but a Buddhism notion, see Householder (Buddhism).--刻意(Kèyì) 10:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

On the Su-Shen liang fang 蘇沈良方

With this edit, I made invisible a passage saying that Su Shi collaborated with Shen Kuo in compiling a collection of medical recipes. Two references were cited in that passage: Joseph Needham and Nathan Sivin, both of whom are revered historians of Chinese science, but the two sources are actually in conflict. Needham says that Su and Shen collaborated, but Sivin claims that other people combined Shen's original work Liang fang 良方 ["Good medicinal formulas"] with recipes recorded by Su Shi around 1126 (the date of the fall of the northern Song), by which time both Shen and Su were dead. Another reliable source, Zhao Pushan's 趙璞珊 Zhongguo gudai yixue 中國古代醫學 ["Ancient Chinese medicine"], also says that Needham is wrong, and that Shen's and Su's formularies were actually merged in the late Southern Song (1127-1279). Zhao even cites a Qing (1644-1911) scholar who already stated that Su-Shen liang fang was not the result of an actual collaboration between Su and Shen. This is not the first time Sivin corrects a mistake in Needham's vast work.

Even though Su and Shen did not co-compile the Su-Shen liang fang, Su Shi was still interested in medicinal recipes, and he did collect formulas. Now where do you suggest we should reinsert info on Su Shi's medical compilations? Please let us know! Cheers, Madalibi (talk) 07:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Su's Prose writing

Additional weight shall be given to Su's prose writing, as he is one of the most acclaimed essayist of the Tang and Song dynasty, and a member of the "Eight Masters of the Tang and Song". TheIntrospectorsfacts (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

On Su's political career

"Su was also an important figure in Song Dynasty politics, aligning himself with Sima Guang and others, against the New Policy party led by Wang Anshi, gaining some level of popular support through his actions, and also sometimes experiencing politically motivated reversals to his government career."

This statement needs further refinement, Su was neither a supporter of Wang Anshi aggressive New Policies, nor a loyal to Sima Guang's conservative faction. He fiercely criticized both, leading to exile and removal from central politicals.

Egan, p. 87 TheIntrospectorsfacts (talk) 04:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)