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Evesham Technology
[edit]Hi Loganberry! It is suggested that a pre PROD, pre AfD, or pre Speedy discussion should take place before opening a deletion process for Evesham Technology. Please visit the article if you can, and leave your comments and suggestions at Talk:Evesham Technology--Kudpung (talk) 09:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Worcs project
[edit]Hi Loganberry! Please be sure to have these pages on your watch list. There may be movements on them concerning articles or new articles that you may wish to edit or contribute to, but may not be already watching.
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BST/ GMT
[edit]You are quite right, as I realised as soon as I'd gone to bed; I'd typed a load of nonsense. But it didn't quite meet the threshold for getting up to put it right. Rachel Pearce (talk) 06:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Worcestershire meeting?
[edit]Worcestershire Project get-together
I'm in the UK on a rare trip to my home town in Worcestershire. If all or anyone from the project would like to meet up, please let me know. I'll be returning to Asia on 3 October.--Kudpung (talk) 09:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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Merge
[edit]Merge discussion for My Father the Hero (1994 film)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Joseph Parker (cricketer)
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Proposed deletion of Joseph Parker (cricketer)
[edit]The article Joseph Parker (cricketer) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
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Wisden v ICC awards
[edit]Hi Loganberry!
I would argue that the Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy should be not be removed from "See Also" section of Wisden Cricketers of the Year. Your rationale was that it was "not directly relevant to Wisden, whereas the other entries in this section are". I would demur: a "See Also" section is not limited by by its article. See Wikipedia:See_also#See_also_section. What's more...
oops, Zebedee arrived. :-) --Shirt58 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
- Hi again
- Thank you for your reply - very much appreciated. There is not much space in an edit summary to make a fully-formed argument, but I should have thought more about this. I now completely agree with you. As you rightly pointed out, this is simply not a matter that should be discussed at any length on an article talk page.
- While it could be argued that, by way of their status, the Wisden and ICC awards are the "co-preeminent" Cricket awards[citation needed] and should be included in their respective "see also"s... I suspect this is something that may result in a whole bunch of talk with not much outcome. As you again pointed out, there a lot of Cricket awards, and with each their concomitant partisans.
Mmmm... perhaps their should be a cat [[Category:Cricket awards]] - Oh, yes - Zebedee. Though I now know he was only a moustachio'd ping-pong ball on a corkscrew, when I was a kid, Zebedee appeared like some Babylonian demiurge in a kind of mini-Götterdämmerung at the end of each Magic Roundabout. "Zebedee arrived", said the narrator, and then with a voice like Metatron (or, alternatively, Pilate in the Wakefield Mystery Plays) Zebedee would say "time for bed". --Shirt58 (talk) 11:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
- Oops. cat [[Category:Cricket_awards_and_rankings]] already exists.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Malvern, GA nomination
[edit]- Hi Loganberry ! We now have a first review for GA. On the whole it doesn't look too bad. As you know, I am a local resident in absentia, and as a published author, a 'prose artist', but anything you can do to improve the language or address some of the more technical points as quickly as possible would be much appreciated. Any work on the new referencing system does not affect the overall quality and scope of the article for GA but you may be able to put put some of the wrong referencing things right and offer some suggestions on the other points made by the reviewer. It would be great for the Worcs project to have a GA of this envergure in its repertoire. See Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire#GA Review - and Happy New Year!--Kudpung (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
MGC
[edit]Hi Loganberry! An article within the scope of the WikiProject Worcestershire has been proposed for moving. Please see the discussion at Talk:Malvern Girls' College#Move proposal, and leave your comments there. Thanks. This is a message to Worcestershire project members; if it has been placed on your talk page in error, please ignore and/or delete it.--Kudpung (talk) 10:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Malvern Girls College has now been moved to Malvern St James and a new article substituted. --Kudpung (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Service awards proposal
[edit]malvern cricketers
[edit]Hi Loganberry. Over the centuries, Malvern College has spawned an extraordinary number of top-class cricketers. A List of Old Malvernians (notable alumnae only) has been created that contains many of those cricketers. There are however problems in complying with Wiki rules for providing reliable sources. If you have time, perhaps you could cast an eye over the list and check that the parent Wiki articles on these people are accurately sourced regarding their studies and/or cricket performance at Malvern College. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Worcestershierre, Warwickshierre, Yorkshierre, and Everyshierre
[edit]Hello Loganberry! A non-British user seems to be attempting to suggest that the Brits are not pronouncing their own British place names correctly, and appears to believe that it is a policy of Wikipedia to instruct the Brits, through the use of the IPA, how British English should be pronounced. He/she also seems to be of the opinion that it is Wikipedia policy to regard British English by default as a rhotic language, which it is not. Some British Wikipedians are trying to avoid an edit conflict and have requested my support. I have added my comments to the debate the non-British user has has started in defence of his/her multiple, WP:BOLD? changes to IPA pronunciations of British place names. As a professional linguist I accord every version of English its own particular merits and my position here strictly concerns the way in which the IPA is interpreted and applied in the Wikipedia, and how the current policy may need to be changed through a truly representative consensus. If you would like to help resolve this issue, please see User talk:Kudpung#IPA, RP, etc. and User talk:Lfh#Warwickshire to get the background. Maybe you could then chime in with your views on the subject at Wikipedia talk:IPA for English#Rhoticity in place names. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
News
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Need your Opinion?
[edit]I would be helpful if you can give me your opinion on this post. Thanks. Paul2387 22:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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CfD nomination of Category:MCC cricketers
[edit]I have nominated Category:MCC cricketers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Marylebone Cricket Club cricketers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox recent cricketer
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Silly
[edit]It would be great if you could comment here if it is still open for comment. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 18:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Flag of Worcestershire
[edit]Hey. I'm not too sure exactly where it was I found it, but I know it was via some Google searches for "Worcestershire flag" and the like. It was just on a site which labelled it as such, although it's not really a decent image and probably not even official. I just uploaded it onto here as I wanted something to at least represent that county on my little list. Ը२ձւե๓ձռ17 19:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
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Embarrass, Wisconsin
[edit]The community was named after the river, whose name derives from French for "impede" or entangle," because logs so often snagged along the waterway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.131.201 (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Loganberry! an article you have contributed to, has been selected for the Wikipedia Version 0.8. offline release on DVD and iPhone. If you would like to make any last minutes changes or improvements, you are most welcome to do so. Deadline is midnight UTC on Monday, 11 October. See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Worcestershire/Archive 1#Worcestershire articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release for other selected articles you may wish to update.--Kudpung (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Loganberry. Evesham is now nearing Good Article quality and will shortly be nominated for review. If you have anything to contribute than can improve its scope or quality, please do not hesitate to chip in.. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 09:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Ali Brown
[edit]Hello
You have written an article on Ali Brown. It says in the first section that his best score was 268 not out vs Glamorgan in 2002. The not out part is incorrect - he was out (in the last over I think) bowled by Kasprowicz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.117.220 (talk) 10:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
WP:WORCS
[edit]Hi Loganberry. In order to more accurately interpret Wikipedia policy, it has been suggested that we rename the Malvern, Worcestershire page. Please see the proposal at Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire#Suggested page move where you are welcome to voice your opinion. --Kudpung (talk) 14:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Moro (chocolate bar)
[edit]Just noticed this page due to reverting some vandalism. The four images used need to be tweaked with either FURs or text-logo rationales. I have not marked them as an issue yet but you may want to take a look anyway considering your previous contributions. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
As a user who has participated in move discussions for the article Press-up, I invite you to weigh in on the move discussion currently under way: Talk:Press-up#Requested_move_2. -Clconway (talk) 01:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Evesham
[edit]Hi Loganberry. A Worcestershire Project page has now been taken on by a reviewer for Good Article after a very long wait. Several points need addressing, but the page has not been rejected as an immediate fail. If you have time, please see Talk:Evesham, and if you can address any of the points listed, I'm sure that between us we can get it through to GA. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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Vote in WP:CRIC
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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:MCC cricketers
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Climate of Miami
[edit]Greetings,
Regarding the below edit:
(cur | prev) 16:48, 8 February 2012 Loganberry (talk | contribs) (9,297 bytes) (Coldest on record is 30F, not 27F (-1C is correct) -- see http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/extremelow.html) (undo)
27F is correct. The "extreme low" climate records are for a limited time period (usually 30 years), not forever.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/?n=miami_february_climate
Ryoung122 18:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Merge discussion: Touring car and Tourer
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Please refrain from expressing points of view such as those in Albert Shutt and similar articles. It is not for you to say that someone who could play first-class cricket was "extremely poor", etc. All POV comments like that are being removed. Jack | talk page 22:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Loganberry, there's a discussion going on at the above article in which I quote your acute remark on the Talk page there about the ambiguity of its subject. That was back in 2007 but if you do have time and interest to drop in there and offer some more wisdom, that would be helpful. Thanks either way. Sweetpool50 (talk) 09:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)