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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. – Rich Farmbrough 23:20, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Stanislaw Albinowski

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  • Delete? Article makes a reasonable claim to notability, but I get zero Google hits on this name. -- Mwanner 14:24, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
Comment: OK, that yields 129 hits, all of which are in Polish. He already has an entry on pl.wikipedia.org. Note: Article author's username is Stanislaw Albinowski -- Mwanner 15:55, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Seems to be a reasonably prominent Polish journalist and writer. Some expansion of the biography would be fine, though. Author's username is irrelevant and likely just a sign of momentary lack of imagination, as s/he registered to write the article. / Uppland 17:25, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete since we do not need to have two sources of information for this person. If we need an en version, then someone should be able to set up translation from the Polish page. Vegaswikian 22:11, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I get the impression that the present page is a translation from the Polish page. Why should we need a new translation? / Uppland 22:29, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • It's interesting that the article and all modifications were made by User:Stanislaw Albinowski, and that he keeps a "safe copy" on his user page. Things that make you go hmm... — RJH 01:10, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable. Mikkalai 02:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable polish economist. Klonimus 00:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, since it appears that the subject of the article is quite probably the same editor User:Stanislaw Albinowski, delete on the grounds of possible vanity (or an attempt to subvert the vfd process). Megan1967 04:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • That may be taken as a personal attack against the author of the article. I think that is against some rule around here. / Uppland 07:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • And there are rules on user names: Avoid usernames that are offensive, inflammatory or confusing. and Avoid choosing a username that is the name of a celebrity, or a political, military, or religious figure or event or known Wikipedia vandal.. If that user is not Stanislaw Albinowski, he is an imposter and has no grounds for complaint. Megan1967 10:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The article could need some expansion by someone familiar with the person, but there is really nothing seriously wrong with it. In fact, it is probably better than 99% of the articles on baseball or cricket players. The nomination is based on a faulty search and reinforced by unfounded suspicions of vanity. Polish economists mainly active during the 1960s through 1980s aren't necessarily very googlable. Moreover, the subject of the article is dead, perished, a Polish ex-journalist, has gone to his maker etc. At least according to the article he died 25 January 2005. Even supposing he wouldn't be dead, he is born in 1923. How many 82 year old Polish economists do you think we have on Wikipedia? — The existence, name and books of Albinowski can very easily be checked using the catalogue of the National Library of Poland here, which also confirms the birth-year (death-year is not given, but these kinds of things often lag behind a few years). I also find reference to nine articles in economic journals in the IBSS: International Bibliography of the Social Sciences database, all written in Polish. (These academic publication databases usually have a bias towards Western European languages, especially English, so there are likely more articles.) The K G Saur World Biographical Information System Online (WBIS Online) also confirms his existence and refers to Who's Who in the Socialist Countries of Europe (München [et al.]: Saur, 1989). I also found a reference to him in an article in The Times Oct. 27, 1960, according to which Albinowski was the economic commentator for the Warsaw paper Zycie Warszawy and an outspoken critic of the way the Comecon worked at the time. / Uppland 07:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • If he is dead, why is there a User:Stanislaw Albinowski still editing as of today? Either 1) his death is incorrect reported or 2) there is a wikipedia editor pretending to be the Stanislaw Albinowski (with the Stanislaw Albinowski article on his userpage), in which case the admins should look into it. Megan1967 10:45, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • The author is a newbie who registered both here and on the Polish Wikipedia yesterday. As I pointed out above, when registering he most likely just took the first name that popped up in his head. Somebody seems to have complained about it on the Polish Wikipedia too, but there is probably nothing sinister about, and it is certainly no reason to delete the article. / Uppland 11:54, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Stanislaw Albinowski is dead, but User:Stanislaw Albinowski is an user - newbie, as Uppland reported. Even if he is son of Stanislaw Albinowski - it is no reason to delete.
          Mr. Albinowski was rather "old-fashion" East-block socialist-economist and the present times show, that his opinions were quite wrong, but it is not the reason to delete the article. --Julo 14:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • The significance of the user name is that I probably would not have looked twice at this article if I hadn't noticed that the names were the same. Then, when I saw that the subject was deceased, I rather suspected that the author was the subject's son. Nothing at all wrong with that, it's quite nice, in fact, but it lead me to question whether the article would have been written were circumstances otherwise. I suspect that the subject does not pass the "more notable than the average professor" test, which is why I nominated the article for deletion. But this is why we have a voting process, in the hope that collective wisdom is greater than individual wisdom. -- Mwanner 21:40, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - appears to have been influential during Polish economic debates during the 1980's making him notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 02:19, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - might not be notable to you, but he was quite notable in Poland. Should English Wikipedia only include what is notable to an average American? Ausir 10:31, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately there are people who think we should have higher notability standards for articles about non-English-language topics. Kappa 22:43, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per Capitalistroadster, and aim for equal coverage regardless of language. Kappa 22:43, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - this person was indeed Polish econmist and a notable one. As to the author of the article, he claims (on his talk page at the Polish wiki) to bear the exact same name as the late Mr. Albinowski, which may or may not be true. --filu 18:10, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Both Stanislaw and Albinowski are rather common Polish names. Roughly it translates into Stanley White or Whiteman
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