Talk:Aqua (band)

Aqua is not Danish-Norwegian

The band is founded in Copenhagen. The only member of Norway is the singer, who lives in Denmark with her Danish family. All the other members is from Denmark. So if Aqua is Danish-Norwegian is Metallica also American-Danish? So let's have a deal: If Aqua shall be Danish-Norwegian, then shall Metallica be American-Danish, Nile shall be American-Greek, ABBA shall be Swedish-Norwegian. Understood? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esbendyr (talk • contribs) 19:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Totally agree with what you wrote - its a Danish band, based in and founded in Copenhagen that happens to have an Norwegian front singer. That doesn't somehow make the band "Danish-Norwegian" - the band's given nationality is based on where it's has its roots and base - which is obviously not in Oslo… Im Laroucan (talk) 11:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Esbendyr has shown disregard for policies and norms of Wikipedia elsewhere as well, as seen on the associated talk page. I have the impression that the Norwegian singer has not been staying in Denmark the whole time, but more in between instead. Bevidsthed (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Danish-Norwegian or just Danish?

I don't think it's correct to definite Aqua as a Danish-Norwegian band. The band was founded in Denmark and all the members lives in Denmark. That makes it a Danish band! The only relation to Norway is that one of the members is born in Norway, if that makes Aqua Danish-Norwegian, then Queen would be a Zanzibarian-English band, Metallica would be an American-Danish band and ABBA would be a Swedish-Norwegian band. No doubt in my mind, so is anybody against me changing it? Pardy 14:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Since no-one has reacted in tree weeks, I've changed it. Pardy 02:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

I'd say only danish too. This should be changed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.83.165 (talk) 03:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Lene lives in Norway.She’s the lead singer. Why are you so adamant that they’re aren’t Danish-Norwegian? Kinda petty. Jallabønne (talk) 16:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Aqua is indeed a Danish-Norwegian band. The lead singer, which means the front figure of the band, Lene, is Norwegian. Please - she´s the only famous person my home town has to brag about! ;) Aurora —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.136.71 (talk) 19:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

WRONG!!! Aqua is danish. Then should Jethro Tull be English-Scottish, and Zavod should be Swedish-Russian = bullshit. Aqua is danish, formed in Denmark, with danish and ONE norwegian member. Get it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.117.249 (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Tonight I saw that the band appears as Norwegian but nearly all references to country of work lead to Denmark, so I "recategorized" the band as Danish-Norwegian.

removal of source http://www.aquaofficial.com/biog.php I removed this source because it no longer supported the article.Heaika (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ginta suou (talk) 02:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I support the ABBA teori. Aqua is a Danish group. And it's not only ABBA you can compare, look at the Nobelprize! Is that a Swedish-Norwegian prize? No, it's a Swedish prize. And two of 3 in Aqua are Danes, then it just cant be anything else than a Danish group. --213.114.213.164 (talk) 10:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree. It should be a Danish band. Just because Lene is a Norwegian, this does not change the fact that the group is Danish. It is the same as if you called Metallica to be Danish - American band because Lars Ulrich is from Denmark or Scorpions a German - American band because James Kotak is an American or Nightwish a Finnish - Swedish band because Anette Olzon is a Swedish singer. I am going to change it to a "Danish band". Norum (talk) 11:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC) --80.217.59.111 (talk) 09:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

February 2010

As their official website states that Aqua is a Danish/Norwegian dance-pop group, I'm changing it back. (Heaika (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC))

Their official website merely duplicates content from this article, so the band is pure Danish, regardless of the fact that Lene is a Norwegian woman. BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 09:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's not a duplicate: "Aqua is a global phenomenon. In the late '90s the Danish-Norwegian group sold over 30 million albums and singles and topped the charts throughout the world." http://www.aquaofficial.com/biog.php It should be changed back. (Heaika (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC))

It may say so, but it can't have been deliberate. The band probably made a mistake when designing the website, so let it be Danish only, OK? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 10:23, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously? Why do you keep deleting my answer? Here is my answer – yet again: How are you to say that it wasn't deliberate? On what do you base that statement? Nationality is a subject which goes beyond the geographical aspect of it; it is a matter of definition, and thus a matter of self-definition. The official website is the most official source of information on this topic, and we should stick to it unless proven otherwise. (Heaika (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC))

Response to Third Opinion Request:

Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Aqua (band) and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here.

Opinion: The assertion that the "band probably made a mistake when designing the website" is mere speculation or analysis and is, therefore, prohibited original research. The band's official webpage is an acceptable source per WP:SELFPUB and the Danish/Norwegian designation ought to stand. Regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 02:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

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Screw that. Just because thats what they claim on their site, doesnt mean they got it right. Dont forget, the Aqua website is NOT run by the group, it is run just by a webmaster. Norum 17:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

March 2010

I have not seen any valid arguments against the Danish-Norwegian designation, and since the official webpage is an acceptable source per WP:SELFPUB, I'm requesting that the nationality of the band to be set as Danish-Norwegian, if there are no valid objections – aside from speculation that is! I undid the revision, and sat the band as a multinational band again because of no warning in the talk-page and because of lacking sources/contradiction of valid sources. (79.160.234.48 (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC))

Danish-Norwegian is just simply stupid. Just because 1 out of for is a Norwegian, doesnt make the group danish-norwegian. This is plain stupid. Why no call Metallica a Danish-American band because Lars Ulrich is a Dane. Or Scorpions a Polish - German - American band? See how stupid this looks? Norum 02:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

their own website refer to the band in that manner so that should end the argument. I dont think they would have any problem with it and dont see why we should. Monkeymanman (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

No it should not end the argument. That's a stupid assumption. I don't know who's running their website or who put that there, but it's really not relevant. Even if they call themselves a Danish-Norwegian band, it doesn't make them a Danish-Norwegian band. See, I think I'm God, I have a website that says that I'm God, so, according to your logic; if I create a Wikipedia article that says that I'm God, it shouldn't be changed since, well, I said so myself - Right? ... No, NOT right! You need to learn something about source criticism. Org.aidepikiw (talk) 11:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not Aqua, but just a webmaster running their website. Webmaster has no clue about it. Norum 01:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

But surely they must be aware of what is on their 'official' website? Monkeymanman (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you really think that Aqua really has enough time to check every little mistake on their website? Norum 05:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

So you say its a mistake? Do you have any reliable third party sources which say differently, or a relible source which quotes the band themselves? Monkeymanman (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I do hope that Aqua takes the time to make certain that the information on their official website is correct. Besides, I doubt that it was the webmaster who wrote their bandbio. 80.213.194.82 (talk) 18:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Surely, if there was eg. an interview with the band, that clearly stated that they don't count themselves as Danish-Norwegian. But as mentioned before, as of now, this is the only source (that we know of) concerning the matter. 80.213.194.82 (talk) 18:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Look at their official website. At first it looks like it's a copyright violation as all the information that is on their website has been copied word by word. But if you look closely, the information on their website is an exact copy of the Wiki article, including the numbers used for verification. I think WP:CCI should be opened. Norum 11:03, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Norum asked me to take a look at this. I'm convinced that that part of the website was copied from our article some time after 31 August 2008; I've placed a {{backwardscopy}} notice at the head of this page. That means, of course, that that page cannot be considered a reliable source for our purposes. Talking of which, shouldn't the content in the article be supported by reliable sources? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers Do you think it would be appropriate to change Aqua's nationality back to Danish because of that? Norum 15:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to comment on that, beyond repeating that that one particular source can't be used. There seems to have been a good deal of discussion of this here already. You could try pinging some of those who were involved in it. If you find yourselves unable to agree, you could then try pinging TransporterMan, who gave the 3O above and is experienced in dispute resolution. You might also look at a compromise wording, perhaps something like "... a Scandinavian pop group. Three of the original members were Danish, and one was Norwegian ...". In my opinion it's far more important, as a matter of urgency, to cite everything that's currently in the article to reliable sources, or otherwise remove it until such time as sources can be found. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

August 2010

Just for the record, another example - Van Halen. The van Halen brothers are Dutchmen born in the Netherlands. Yet, no one classifies the band as being Dutch-American. Just thought I'd add this. Norum 22:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

June 2023

The band is described as Danish-Norwegian on the "About" page of all their major media platforms, such as YouTube, Spotify and Apple music. At least the two first "About" sections (Youtube and Spotify) were posted either by the band or a representative. I'm not sure who has posted the Apple music description. I kindly ask the user who keeps editing this back to "Danish" to stop doing so. AarhusGym 19:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I have added multiple sources for "Danish-Norwegian" in the article. Combine this with lack of evidence for just "Danish". Bevidsthed (talk) 21:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Itzy Bitzy Spider

I have listened to their debut single, Itzy Bitzy Spider, and I have a question about it. The vocalist does not appear to be Lene Nystrom Rasted. Is Beck Luween the vocalist in this song? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 14:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Lost section restored

Wow. As the article stood there was a sharp turn in the narrative in section "The Aquarium Age". It seems that back in April 2008 some mishandling in reverting vandalism occured, and as a result a section was lost: compare before and after (and for a year and a half this remained unnoticed!). I've restored the text, but it likely needs some updating to fit the current state of the article. 94.29.50.73 (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Free Image?

Can someone find a free image of the Aqua members for the article? BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 16:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, I have finally found a good free image. BulsaraAndDeacon (talk) 01:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Who is Beck Luween?

I only ask as when I first read this article, I thought the bit mentioning her (Beck Luween was part of the original Joyspeed lineup, playing the triangle, but she left the group after a very short time due to the excessive demand for her talents.) was a little fake sounding. I've tried searching for more details about her, but the only information I can find mirrors what's here. Can anyone confirm any details about her? If it's true, the phrasing of the sentence is a bit odd.Snorgle (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

2004 Top 100 Best Broken Up Bands Ever

In Section 1.3, the second last sentence are as follows:

"René did not find out until Lene gave an interview in the 2004 Top 100 Best Broken Up Bands Ever."

Is there any source for this? A simple Google search revealed nothing. The article is used as a reference for the most controversial aspect of the entire Aqua page.

It should be removed without a proper citation. Ratha K (talk) 05:01, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Danish-Norwegian-Algerian?

It seems there was a long discussion in the past about whether Aqua should be descibed as Danish or Danish-Norwegian. I don't really mind which it is, but I think we can all agree that it should not be Danish-Norwegian-Algerian and Algerian should not be in the description as this is describing the ethnicity of only one of the members (Rene Dif). To mention ethnicity in this way goes against the Wikipedia manual of style (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Context). Liquidmetalrob (talk) 16:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge, as each member has independent work that established notability best discussed separately. Klbrain (talk) 08:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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Lene, Rene, Soren and Claus should be merged here. Their biographies and personal lives are not sourced properly, and there is little to no coverage of their non-Aqua endeavors. 81blazko92 (talk) 23:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I disagree. Søren Rasted has done a lot more than just Aqua, in terms of production work, success with Hej Matematik, the resurgence of Aqua, major participation in Natholdet, the Danish late night talk show, and his successful podcast and comedy show Den Grå Side. The article just needs a major update. Xilefeniotan (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nystrøm has also acted in movies etc. Geschichte (talk) 12:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Nystrom's biography is unsourced, as are the biographies of Dif and Norreen. 81blazko92 (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

    Lene is definitely notable in her own right, though. Her solo career passes the guidelines for notability. If there are insufficient sources then the article should be tagged to add more sources, not merged into the band’s page. lone_twin (talk) 10:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose i completely disagree with the merge, Lene, Claus, Rene, and Søren have all done more than just Aqua, they all have separate Projects and careers and merging the members to the page will just make Aquas wikipedia page a complete and total disaster. if That Vegan Teacher can have a wikipedia page then all 4 members of Aqua deserve their own page on here. Callmeriver94 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose They all have their own solo careers that would be inappropriate to include in the Aqua article. Justin Tokke (talk) 18:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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Lene should not be merged

She had her own solo career outside the band 216.221.69.229 (talk) 06:58, 26 June 2023 (UTC)