Talk:Vacaville, California

Assessment

Unbalanced at present. needs more info on transportation, land use, infrastructure, environment. and more references. Anlace 05:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Geography

Neither of the coordinates matches anything politically significant, though the USCB's is close to the Library/Civic Center/Public Works. They must be some estimate of the centroid of the city limits, which would explain the difference since the Census Bureau only keeps simplified polygon data. --belg4mit 18.124.2.224 21:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Blather

Hello my name Is Khristine S. Jackson, i am resident in the Richmond area I have lived there for at lease the same amount as my father has served in California's Vacaville Correctional Medical Facility which is 10 years. im a minor, but I think I have the rights to state what I feel about the 3 Strikes law!!! I think My father should get out of jail, because I have grieved for years and years thats not the main issue, but also I think he should'nt have to serve 25 years Which is he's sentence for Robbery of the amount of 100 and so dollars. He has served almost all his time and I think by 11 years they should release my dad. Im 14 years old with alot of knowledge to know that it's sad to see my mom a single parent raise 5 children on her on. And to know that my pop is not by her side that's hard to go through. Im weak i've been through alot as a teen I mean alot. Well I would be very happy if our president Bush and Governor Arnold .S would change the 3 strikes law and as well as the State Of California. Im now going to close out by saying thank you very much for reading and I would be very happy if they do so. my father name is fred Leon Jackson, Jr.

    Sincerly,
     KHRISTINE JACKSON
     August 1, 2004!

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Khristine S. Jackson, if your father was imprisoned under the Three strikes law it was not simply because he stole 100 dollars. But because he had committed two felonies prior to his theft of $100.

Perhaps he reasoned that $100 was more important than the 5 children left behind?

At any rate, as the sole external link on the Three strikes law page shows, the usefulness of the three strikes law is in debate. If you really want to make a difference I recommend you use your head. Study, uncover facts. Go to school and enrich yourself as you fight for your father.

The world allows amazing things to those who use their heads.

That is, so long as you can accept the unhappy truth that comes with viewing the world without Bias.

Viewing the world that way is not as easy as it seems.

Issei

I've just removed the phrase "See also: Issei Japanese American" from the text of this article, due to there being absolutely no context. But there's obviously demographic and historic information to be shared here - would someone add it? Jessicapierce 16:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Pages Direction

  When did this page go from being an encyclopedia cite to something that looks like the yellow pages. This might just be me but I think that the reason wikipedia is so popular is because it expresses important points about a subject with not a lot of bullshit mixed into it. As this page stands it is not inviting with a plethora of addresses and phone numbers of random things. This cite is for summaries not advertisements.
                 ~A Concerned Resident 69.109.255.158 20:11, May 30, 2007 (UTC)

Education section

It seems a little lengthy. Should another page be created specifically to detail that information? I'm just wondering.Killiondude (talk) 05:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

???

"The unincorporated communities of Allendale and Elmira are generally considered to be part of Vacaville."

Allendale? Considered part of Vacaville? Come on now people. Allendale is at least 8 miles from Downtown Vacaville. Elmira is easier to consider part of Vacaville because it is within a mile from the city limits. Allendale is way the heck out there. Sigh. This page needs work. I'll get to it at some point. Killiondude (talk) 08:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

List of residents

I've again removed the list of "famous" residents of Vacaville. This list is trivia, as it doesn't tell us anything about the city. It's also uncited; there are no references at all given that establish these facts. Mentioning that a person lives (or lived) someplace might be relevant to their biography article, but isn't meaningful information about the city and doesn't belong on the page describing the town. -- Mikeblas (talk) 03:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:USCITY, while not a policy, it is still a guideline and it states that this sort of section could be included. If you want me to reference it, I will. There have been proposals at WP:CITIES to have these sorts of sections removed, with no consensus found to do so. Killiondude (talk) 03:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Ive again removed the list, as it remains unreferenced. I hope you'll reconsider persistently adding it, even with references. Such a list does nothing to describe the city, there's no standard for residency (for how long? when? where?) and your time is better spent on more relevant research. -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Persistently? Excuse me, but I rolled back one of your edits. Also, you ignored my comment about the WP:USCITY guideline. Killiondude (talk) 05:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I unfortunately agree with both of you. I think notables are usually stupid and vacuous. Worse, from my pov, they contain mostly athletes that I've never heard of or band members that I've never heard of.

Having said that, they are in all place articles. Only tiny towns are without them. They are standard. If you persist in trying to remove them, you will lose. I did, and now confine myself to ensuring that, at least, the people are all notable (have articles that are not under afd), and I try to get them footnoted to tie them in with the place that is claiming them.

Are they stupid? Yes. Are they here to stay? Yes. Please accept reality and allow their inclusion here. Persistence in this will be time-consuming all around and eventually they will be allowed. Student7 (talk) 11:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, we now have the best cited notable list in the history of Wikipedia. I've removed some claims that seemed unsupported or exaggerated. Having said that, that "Papa" somebody, who i never heard of before, looks big. But I took him out since I couldn't tie him with Vacaville. The botanist is truly notable along with Markham and one other, even in my opinion, and I am hard to convince. Other athletes appear to have lived here and had notable careers. I hope this takes care of things. Student7 (talk) 12:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice job of finding those refs! Thanks for your work, I appreciate it. Killiondude (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I've marked many of these references {{Failed verification}}. The reasons are various; some of the references say the person was born in Vacaville, not that they are Vacaville residents. Edwin Markham's reference says he went to school there. He's dead, so I'm not sure where he's a "resident"; but I don't think going to school for a while in a town qualifies you for any definition of "resident" that's carries enough weight to be meaningful to the article of the city in question. As such, I've removed him from the list completely. I've deleted the reference for Casey Sheehan because that's a self-published blog, which is unacceptable per WP:REF. Cindy Sheehan's article implies she lives there, but doesn't say it; she might do the things she does in Vacaville while actually living in a suburb or neighboring town, and commuting, for example. -- Mikeblas (talk) 23:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

So Jefferson could not be listed as a "resident" of Monticello? Or Washington as a "resident" of Mount Vernon? I don't know if you have noticed but most famous people tend to be dead, like. Other people have tried to put "former" before the noun. As in "former" president of the United States, George Washington. Want to make sure that everyone knows he is not still president. How thoughtful!

One is supposed to WP:AGF of other editors but I am rapidly reaching the end of mine. Oh, and self-publishing blogs are not unacceptable (another bummer IMO). If the author is undoubtedly the author and doesn't repudiate the blhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vacaville,_California&action=edit&section=8og and if there is not some ulterior motive for living in Vacaville. Not Beverly Hills, or the White House, or Gros Point or anything is it? Why would anyone claim to live there if they didn't? Student7 (talk) 12:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

After you've finished tidying up here, you might give List of people from Los Angeles a shot. I'm sure that article will profit immensely. Student7 (talk) 12:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll see if I can have a look at the LA article. While it would be awesome to improve every article all at once, I can't do it. -- Mikeblas (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the rhetoric behind your questions about Jefferson and Washington, so I'm not sure how to answer your questions. At the root of it, yes: I don't think Thomas Jefferson deserves a mention in the "Monticello" topic unless he was involved in the government or formation of that city. (Which goes to your rhetoric; sorry, I'm not enough of a historian to know what Jefferson did for Monticello.) Should the "Thomas Jefferson" article mention that he was born there? Sure! WP:SPS makes clear the conditions when a blog is appropriate material for referencing a Wikipedia article; I'm not sure I can figure out why, in this case, you think it is. -- Mikeblas (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Soooo ... let me get part of this straight ... just because the person running this page hasn't heard of someone , this makes them a non-celebrity? That's not really how it works. You don't get to play that sort of God card. If they had fame and lived in Vacaville , they should be here. "Dr.Horatio Q.Birdbath"(real name:"A.Purves Pullen"),was a longtime resident of Vacaville , he lived on ( DO NOT List Peoples Addresses!!!) Lovers Lane and was a well known performer at the original Nut Tree.( He did puppet shows & was manager of the Toy Shoppe. ) He was also a member of "Spike Jones & His City Slickers" - appearing on numerous records , a constant voice work artist with Disney ( various birds in "Snow White",various birds in the Enchanted Tiki Room ("Pierre" the parrot most notably.) at Disneyland & Disney World.),and the voice of "Roscoe the Dog" , on the Dr.Don Rose radio show in the 70's & 80's. If that doesn't earn him any respect here , then your standards are far too high! I've added him twice , and seen him removed twice! Harvey J Satan (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

???

"The city was not founded in 1852 by Paige Charlene Hall, but by someone who's actually important," —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.98.235 (talk) 08:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I know nothing about Vacaville (needed to read this page for a project), but I removed the "actually important" part of the sentence. If the person who did that wants to correct it so that it includes the name of the real founder, that will help the page retain its integrity.Cbflagginc (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Photo is pretty neat but misleading

Pretty impressive camera zoom for the shot shows downtown Sacramento in the distance. In the foreground, the Travis Credit Union, which is in Vacaville, is seen. This is not really downtown Vacaville either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.129.45.201 (talk) 08:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Seriously. That is NOT a "skyline" of Vacaville. Does the person who put that photo in know what a skyline is? I'll be in Vacaville this week and I will get an appropriate picture of Main Street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.132.155 (talk) 18:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Media Reference Section

The Jon Voight film was filmed all over Vacaville , not just Main Street. They did some filming on Peaceful Glenn & Timm Road(s), as well as other areas of Vacaville. Harvey J Satan (talk) 20:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

thriving metropolis

I love the caption. "Vacaville skyline" lol its one building User:B137 (talk)

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Sacramento Valley

Hello! A concerned anon (2601:640:c101:417c:d1bf:3271:ad48:bb3b (talk · contribs) and 2601:640:c101:417c:383a:fabc:7597:918b (talk · contribs)) objects to the idea that the city lies within the Valley. The USGS highlights Vacaville as being part of the Valley. A look at a terrain map also gives the impression that Vacaville sits on the east of the California Coast Ranges. I think it is fair (and balanced!) to state its membership of the SFBA due to residing in Solano Co. while also stating its geographical ties to Sacramento. To be fair, however, the Sacramento Valley article lacks sources and has no mention of Solano county at all. I think we could agree, however, that portions of Solano County are definitely within the Valley and therefore that article is not wholly complete. Killiondude (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I just reverted an edit by Riss96. Many people expect some definitive dividing line but different government agencies can have different definitions and geography is different. This is true in many other regions. Metropolitan Transportation Commission and the Association of Bay Area Governments uses entire counties to define the San Francisco Bay Area - "Spanning from the wine country to Silicon Valley, the Bay Area has a population of over 7 million people in nine counties and 101 cities." http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/index.html The Sacramento Valley is a geographical area which does not respect county boundaries. In other words, both statement can be correct at the same time. The question is the best way to describe this. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 04:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I would recommend something like "Vacaville is considered to be politically part of the San Francisco Bay Area by various agencies [cites] by virtue of lying within Solano County, but lies geographically within the California Central Valley, as well as the Sacramento River Delta. It is considered part of the Sacramento media market, and for air pollution controls it is part of the Yolo-Solano Air Quality Management District, not the Bay Area Air Quality Management District." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blicher (talk • contribs) 19:00, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Vacaville is not, and has never been, considered part of the San Francisco Bay Area. Either colloquially or officially by any government agency. The previous comment, "Vacaville is considered to be politically part of the San Francisco Bay Area by various agencies" is both vague and inaccurate." Vacaville is both culturally and geographically outside of the San Francisco Bay Area proper; and few if any who live here would consider it part of the bay. 2601:645:8000:D0E0:0:0:0:BFDA (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

The sources in the San Francisco Bay Area article disagree with you. Schazjmd (talk) 22:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

The first two paragraphs of the San Francisco Bay Area article, for the purposes of definition, utilizes two primary sources here, (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf) and here (http://www.demographia.com/db-worldua.pdf). The first site is a listing of " Statistical Areas", the second site is a listing of "Urban Areas". Neither source lists Vacaville under their listings for the San Francisco Bay Area nor is Vacaville itself listed at all in either site. 2601:645:8000:D0E0:0:0:0:BFDA (talk) 04:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The lead is just summarizing the full article. Better to read the Boundaries section and its sources, particularly this one. Schazjmd (talk) 14:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Pronunciation Guide Needed

I heard Vacaville mispronounced on a podcast this morning and was hoping this page would include a pronunciation guide. Kevink707 (talk) 15:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)