Talk:Air Force One

Short Distance Air Force One?

I was noticing a photo from a recent stop in Ohio from the Obama campaign and it seems as though he is flying in a 737 (perhaps a 777? I don't know airplanes enough to spot the differences, but I am smart enough to not see a second level). http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-air-force-one-20121025,0,891073.story Image: http://www.trbimg.com/img-5089eb12/turbine/la-pn-obama-air-force-one-20121025-001/600

Obviously any military craft the president is flying in becomes "Air Force One" but is this a part of the AF1 fleet? ☠  Travis "TeamColtra" McCrea ☠ - (T)(C) 08:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

It is a Boeing C-32, which is a 757. See this photo, and compare it to the image you linked to. The 757 can fly into smaller airports than a 747, which is the main limiting factor with the 747, not range as such. To my knowledge, the president flys on the 747 for even short hops like Washington DC to New York City. See the Air Force One#Other presidential aircraft section of the article for more info on the use of other aircraft as AF1, and this article on ABC for a full picture of the 757 at the event you mentioned. - BilCat (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

From the ABC article, the airport is Cleveland Burke Lakefront Airport, which does appear to be too small for a 747. - BilCat (talk) 21:23, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, C-32. Boeing 757 is mentioned in the linked article (C-32 is US military designation for 757-200). This does not seem like a big deal given other smaller aircraft have also been used by the President at times. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

News video and a documentary showed Obama being flown from Chicago to Washington for his first inauguration in 2009 and described him as flying on "Air Force One"; it was a C-32 not the VC-25 and it couldnt have been AF-1 since he wasnt President yet. Another example of the clueless media.Bob80q (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

On some rare occasions the President also flies on a C-40 (737) or C-37 (Gulfstream). I seem to recall seeing TV footage of Obamas arrival for a summer vacation at Marthas Vineyard and he was deplaning from a C-40; they sometimes use smaller aircraft due to shorter runways and also out of concern for cost effectiveness.Bob80q (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

VC-9C was another aircraft that served as a both an Air Force One but more commonly as an Air Force Two. This aircraft is rear engined and appears similar to a Super 80 model [2]. It would be great to add more on this to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.229.211 (talk)

It's already in the article, but thanks anyway. BilCat (talk) 09:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Date format

The U.S. military indeed uses DMY format, but Air Force One is a subject that goes beyond the U.S. military, concerning the presidency. Articles relating to the presidenchy and the rest of the country uses MDY. Per MOS:DATETIES, I believe this article should be in MDY. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

It's called "Air Force One", so I think it's logical to use the military format. However, if the consensus is to change to MDY format, that would be fine too, but it does need to be discussed here first per RETAIN. - BilCat (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

• This falls under "articles on the modern U.S. military,... use day-before-month, in accordance with U.S. military usage." at MOS:DATETIES. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

  Well this "technicality" BS is one of the main reasons why Wikipedia editorship is at its lowest level in years and why the website is down to just a few select "stewards" of the wiki. Most of us are just giving up under the constant arrogance.--JOJ ^Hutton 02:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Seconding Muboshgu - the president is a civillian but one who uses military aircraft, and throughout the body, dates use conventional US style ("On October 11, 1910..."). This is also seen in Air Force One photo op incident. In my eyes, I see it as a US government article. This is obviously not a hill to die on, I know.-Ich (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The article should be consistent one way or the other. But to this point, there's been no consensus for changing to MDY. The issue in general is a contentious one on military articles, with many American editors being unaware of MOS:DATETIES. That's especially true for this article. Probably the best way forward is to run an RFC to get broad community input one way or the other. BilCat (talk) 20:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Inconsistency

The article says in section "Boeing 707s and entry to jet age":

"Toward the end of Eisenhower's second term, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles commented that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and other senior Soviet officials had begun using the technologically advanced Tupolev Tu-114 aircraft for their travels, and it was no longer dignified for the president to fly in a propeller-driven aircraft."

In this form the argument makes no sense because the Tu-114 is a propeller plane (and this was also the case for the one Khrushchev used). 83.93.38.219 (talk) 20:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)