Talk:Cliff Richard

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Cliff Richard article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3: 31 days

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Top-importance).

India Low‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

England Mid‑importance

	England portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Christianity Mid‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Eurovision Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Eurovision, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Eurovision-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EurovisionWikipedia:WikiProject EurovisionTemplate:WikiProject EurovisionEurovision articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Rock music High‑importance

	Rock music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Rock music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Hertfordshire (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hertfordshire, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.HertfordshireWikipedia:WikiProject HertfordshireTemplate:WikiProject HertfordshireHertfordshire articles

Pop music Low‑importance

	Pop music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Genre change

There was a recent change to the genre here. We should have a section discussing the editor's style and support the genres over time. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really not sure what you mean by "section discussing the editor's style." Regarding skiffle, the article says only this: "Harry Webb became interested in skiffle. His father bought him a guitar at 16 and he formed the Quintones vocal group in 1957, before singing in the Dick Teague Skiffle Group". His next band, the Drifters, were rock and roll. So in my view skiffle doesn't really belong in the lead section, and therefore probably not in the infobox either. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not speaking for or against the recent genre edits. I am simply stating that one section that gather's the Richard's genres over time, with sources, would be appropriate. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like we should include skiffle, sounds important. Being historical is no reason not to. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 17:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Was an early contributor to the genre. The infobox should be a summary of the whole career, not just recent works. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think skiffle was a defining characteristic of his career. In fact, Stafford Hildred and Tim Ewbank, in Cliff: An Intimate Portrait of a Living Legend (2010) say "Cliff's flirtation with skiffle lasted for no more than a few months.... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lennon quote

The article currently includes this (perfectly well-sourced) quote:

"In the opinion of Beatle John Lennon, "before Cliff and the Shadows, there had been nothing worth listening to in British music"."

Apart from the debatable use of the word "Beatle", I think this quote most definitely belongs in the article .But I'm not sure it should appear (only) in the lead section. Any thoughts? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The quote articulates how important Cliff Richard was in the development of the British beat music and consequently British rock music scene - which itself is of global cultural importance. That needs to be mentioned in the lead, and using Lennon's quote is a way of engaging readers with that idea. More could be made of Richard's cultural significance (probably not now fully appreciated by younger readers) in the article text itself, but I would support leaving the quote in the lead. It may have only been the opinion of one person, but it is a valid and widely shared perspective, presented in an engaging way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't only be in the opening, which needs to be a summary of the article. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 11:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there needs to be more in the main text on his cultural significance in the UK, which could then include the Lennon quote in the article summary. A lot needs to be done to improve this article - but removing the quote from the lead weakens rather than strengthens it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tend to agree. The sources look fine, although it's unfortunate The Times obituary of Tony Meehan is behind paywall. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be done, not just talked about or the Lennon quote will be at the very least moved into the text itself. Cliff is too notable to ignore the guidelines on his bio. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 12:08, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I've stated a section on "Cultural significance and impact", please help to expand it if you can. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update article

Cliff Richard’s new album Christmas with Cliff was released today (25 November). Please update the Discography section of the article and update where it mentions Christmas with Cliff by removing “(upcoming)”. Benfskye1 (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Date suggestion pre Beatles era 1950...

If he is born in 1940 then how can he dominate pre Beatles era i.e. 1950...he is just 10 or little. above 10. Kindly look into it. 223.191.58.94 (talk) 23:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly, please check your facts first, at The Beatles.😉 AusChartMan (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2024

{{edit semi-protected|Cliff Richard|answered=yes} Hi! Cliff Richard has had his songs Devil Woman and We Don't Talk Anymore catch regular airplay in the Yacht Rock music genre, so perhaps he could have Yacht Rock added to his list of genres as a consideration. Thanks! 2600:1008:B03C:20D1:481D:2CA6:321E:29AF (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done You'd need to provide a reliable source for that genre. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biography & reasons for departure for England.

It's said that following Direct Action Day (date not given), the family decided to emigrate to England.

Direct Action Day occurred in 1936.

Two paragraphs later, the family's date of departure is put at 1948 and the reason given as Indian independence.

Maybe both statements are true, but at the moment, it's a confusing read. Redpaul1 (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article at Direct Action Day, that occurred 16 August 1946, not 1936. Does that resolve your confusion? --Blurryman (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]