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How is it that there's an edit war, and this talk page wasn't even CREATED until I got here? This is a sad fucking commentary on both of you, I'm sorry. Meelar 18:44, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Because by time Wik followed me to this page, he had already repeatly shown his refusal to discuss any article that he was reverting; please have a look at West Papua which I and others just gave up putting back to its common name of "West Papua"; Tannin's final effort on that count was to write a quick page about the real 'Papua' to which Wik then renamed 'West Papua' to 'Papua_(Indonmesia)'. You will see that Wik did 3 reverts on 'Papua_(Indonmesia)' in the last 24hours.

I created this disambiguation page because while Tannin's page allowed people looking for Papua to find it, I was aware of the multiple uses and that its most common use in English is in fact as a colloquial for New Guinea.Daeron 18:57, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wrote in anger. Anyway, suggest you just wait it out rather than engage in a revert war with Wik, or take it up with other editors. Sheepishly, Meelar 00:28, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, don't be silly; your were right, I should still have said something on this discussion page first. I'd just gotten so tried by then. (should have seen what I said about the Indonesian article the other day being Non-NPOV due to content ommissions, shot me mouth off a tad too fast then;-)Daeron 03:48, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

An interesting item notice how Wik wants 'West Papua' to be renamed to the Indonesian name for it; insists the content identifys it as an Indonesian 'province' in the first sentence? Yet when it came to the West_Papuan_Genocide article he couldn't disassociate it from Indonesian name fast enough, keeps pushing back to the old Dutch name from 45 years ago.;-)Daeron

Disclaimer: the following rant/nitpick is informed by not much more than Wikipedia and Lonely Planet.

Papua isn't only a colloquial name for New Guinea, it's also a historical name, given to the entire island by Don Jorge de Meneses in 1526. The name of the Territory of Papua was exactly that, with "Papua" being an informal contraction much like "America" for USA or "Australia" for Commonwealth of Australia. Papua meaning southern-bit-of-PNG is still used, but it isn't still "official".

Since Don Jorge de Meneses had only seen the north-west extreme of the island when he named it one could argue that the western half has at least as good a claim on "Papua" as does the south eastern corner. Pm67nz 14:59, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No you couldn't argue that, Pm67nz. The southern part of the eastern half has been "Papua" for a century. West Irian has only been "Papua" for 2 years - and it will doubtless be changed again any day now. Tannin

People are talking about the subject content, thank goodness. I suspect Tannin still had shell shock from 'Wik'. I believe Pm67nz was saying that:

Papua = New Guinea
and that "Territory of Papua" has been called Papua

In practical terms the people of both West Papua and PNG call themselves Papuan. I also believe that if freed from occupation, that both countries would move to have the name of the Island changed from New Guinea to Papua (because frankly it is not part of Africa, either new or old ;-) ).

BTW: we are all in agreement that the known English (as well as Papuan) name for "Papua_(Indonesia)" is West Papua? And that that article can be moved back to its traditional name of "West Papua" once Wik has stopped his edit war?Daeron 07:07, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Requested move 5 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Papua → Papua (disambiguation) – Although 'Papua' may refer not only to the world's second-largest island, New Guinea is much more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. Therefore I think that the term 'Papua' should redirect to New Guinea. BlackBony (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The island is certainly the most significant topic here, but given the series of major territorial entities with the name on the Indonesian side, a move like that will likely lead to confusion. Also, the island isn't sought by more readers than all the other topics combined: it accounts for only about 43% of the clickthroughs from the dab page [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.