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At least one editor has protested the use of "neo-Nazi" and "white supremacist" to describe the ideology of this group, because he claims that's not how the group describes itself. To this, I would paraphrase The Almightey Drill and say don't give your group an aesthetic based on the Third Reich if you're afraid of the labels that will come. And they do come, in many reliable secondary sources. Rockypedia (talk) 17:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. HammerFilmFan (talk) 01:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So aesthetics matter more than political positions and reality? That's a bit of an absurd standard. 17:17, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

No, you need to read more about how Wikipedia works. WP:RS: Reliable secondary sources matter more than the way a group describes itself. Sorry that you didn't figure that out from the first statement; I guess I have to be as literal and simple as possible when conversing with neo-Nazis. Rockypedia (talk) 01:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that those "reliable" sources aren't what they claim to be. And "Neo-Nazi" is a BS-word anyway. --105.12.1.94 (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your hostility over such a reasonable question is clearly out of place here. Wikipedia doesn't describe itself as a propaganda factory, but we could find many secondary sources that say it is just that, and the heavy politicization of editors like you make that any easy argument to defend. 2620:10D:C091:480:0:0:1:2733 (talk) 20:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Multiracial vs democratic elections

Hello Special:Contributions/196.192.164.26 I noticed your change for Multiracial to democratic to describe the 1994 elections. Yes, per the history of Elections in South Africa there were a several different phases of partial and/or symbolic non-white participation outside the Bantustans, it seems misleading to suggest that this wasn't about racial integration. Do you have a better phrasing that is more accurate to the history? And/or a source to cite?--Theredproject (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, observed. It is insinuated that there were no 'democratic election' prior to the 1994. What was different in 1994 was that anyone with an SA-ID (or even not) could cast votes (often more than one). The adjectives 'first, democratic' is hence misleading. As are many elements in the narratives about recent South African history.

105.0.0.1 (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Logo size

An editor is edit warring in the attempt to make the logo (down the page) very large. It's been at 137px for a while, and he's attempting to have it at 200px, much larger than is necessary to view the image. I'm asking for other editor's opinions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Content dispute

@76.9.74.127: I’m opening this section in hopes that we can discuss the changes you are trying to make to the article. It is always preferable to achieve consensus in situations such as these before resorting to edit warring. Please explain how your changes will improve the article here. Thanks Sakaimover (talk) 23:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tear gas

"the unprecedented step of using lachrymatory agent or tear gas." Was it unprecedented in general or unprecedented in use against pro-apartheid groups? Dynzmoar (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's unclear and the whole statement has no source. Greenman (talk) 20:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any sources about current activity?

I can’t find anything about them doing anything since around 2010. They apparently had a website but it now just returns an error. 2600:1017:B838:7306:E8FF:87A9:167D:9B04 (talk) 16:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]