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"World U18 Championships" in medal record

And Ivan Hlinka are different events. The World U118 Championship is the IIHF event. The World U18 Cup iis now the Ivan Hlinka Memorial and it's not an IIHF event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.107.169 (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Pierre Dumont

I removed the last sentence of the article since J-P Dumont has *not* been re-signed by the Buffalo Sabres. GM Darcy Reiger has stated he's given Dumont an offer but he's not been re-signed by the Sabres (as much as I'd like him to). Neither Yahoo!, TSN or the Sabres' official web site documents a Dumont signing by Buffalo, so whomever posted that sentence please give a source before putting it back. -RomeW

French OR English wik biography?

The main title should be 'Daniel Briere'. This is the English Wikipedia not the French. GoodDay 20:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cookie Monster

This nickname is a relatively recent one.[1]

After a Feb 6th, 2007 win over the Atlanta Thrashers, Buffalo Sabres announcer Rick Jeanerette called DB "Cookie Monster'. It was homage to the location of DB's goals---'top shelf where momma hides the cookies'.

I'll use this source. [2] --4.239.168.189 18:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Playing Career

This section of Briere's entry is rather sparse; there's no mention of how he came to the Sabres, and I'm sure there is other information missing. I don't know a lot about Briere (just happened to come across this because I'm watching the Islanders/Flyers game), so maybe someone who knows more than I do could flesh this out a bit? Phaded 00:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Winnipeg Jets

Has he ever actually played for the Winnipeg Jets or is this team just in the list as it was changed to the Phoenix Coyotes? If there is no answer I will remove the Jets from the list of teams he has played with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghyslyn (talk • contribs) 01:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, he never played for the Jets. I nixed it. V-train (talk) 02:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't play for the Jets, but he was drafted in June 1996. Was he officially drafted by the Jets or the Coyotes? rkehler3 (talk) 02:44, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The YouTube video titled "Chris Phillips Drafted by the Ottawa Senators June 22, 1996" clearly shows Phoenix 11th on the draft board approximately 2:40 into the video. He was officially drafted as a Coyote. --Parkfly3 (talk) 06:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Briere: Forever Young

So, I yust saw a video on Youtube, and I can't help but wonder. Is Briere really that young? 24.87.56.142 (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Common name

Danny Briere has slightly over 2 million more Google hits than Daniel Briere. And since the official website lists him as Danny, shouldn't this page be located at Danny Brière? --Izzygood (talk) 01:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

June 2013 - Agree with above.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdjd021 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC) It seems that Danny's name is a huge issue on this page. I myself just tried moving it to "Danny Brière", and Wiki would not let me. Let me just say this... His public NHL name is Danny, just as Stefani Germanotta's public Hollywood name is Lady Gaga. Simple as that. Germanotta's page title is "Lady Gaga", just as Daniel Brière's page title should be "Danny Brière". It's not his "nick name". If you don't watch or follow Brière's career, you shouldn't be on this page. So whoever mentioned "nick names" is just clogging up space.[reply]

OFFICIAL scoresheets straight from the NHL website (Event Summaries, Faceoffs Reports, Time On-Ice Reports, Roster Reports, and Shot Reports - all the sheets that include players' first names) list him as either "DANNY BRIERE" or "BRIERE, DANNY". And again, let's not forget about how his name appears on his profile pages on flyers.nhl.com, nhl.com. hockey-reference.com, espn.com, sports.yahoo.com, and sports.yahoo.com/fantasy - all of those sites have it as "Danny" on not only his profile page, but also on the team roster list. #DannyNotDaniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdjd021 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An update: During an interview that aired on the Flyers broadcast prior to last night's Flyers/Canadiens game, Briere said he has gone back to Daniel because Danny is difficult to say in French (I have no idea if there is anything to that). It was also pointed out that he was known as Danny throughout his entire six seasons as a Flyer by his choice. --72.25.41.35 (talk) 08:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Please note that this request is not about changing the use of diacritics; it's about whether to use "Daniel" or "Danny". Hey Mid (contribs) 15:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Brière → Danny Brière – Relisted — and I'll be tempted to block the next person who mentions diacritics! Favonian (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC) It seems to me that he is commonly called Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He's also commonly called "Briere", and that's what it says on his jersey. However, I think we should avoid nicknames unless they're used almost exclusively, so I would prefer a move to Daniel Briere. Powers ^T 16:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A move to "Daniel Briere" would violate the longstanding compromise at WP:HOCKEY, which says that diacritics are kept on player pages. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish. There is no such compromise. Dolovis (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, there is. Check here. Anyway, this discussion is about "Daniel" or "Danny". HandsomeFella (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what would be the point in calling a person Briere if his name is Brière? You can't hear the spelling, can you? It's like a person by the name Neil was called Neal. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As a "compromise", it's plainly absurd, which is obvious just from looking at the letters on the back of any North American hockey player's jersey. Powers ^T 17:42, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like the word "compromise", call it concensus then, because that's what it is. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever you want to call it, I'm opposed to it. Is there anything else you'd like to harass me about? Powers ^T 21:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The diacritic isn't up for debate here. Whether this page should be moved to Danny Brière is. Stay on topic or go elsewhere if you want to debate diacritics in player articles. On topic, 1) He is more commonly referred to as Danny (Danny Briere has two million more google hits than Daniel Briere, see the section directly above this one) and the player prefers to be called Danny (his NHL and NHLPA profiles lists him as Danny, a clear sign that he prefers to be called Danny). --Izzygood (talk) 01:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually if you are going to use the NHL and NHLPA as sources to make a point, then the diacritic issue is on topic as both those official sources spell his name "Danny Briere." You can't have it both ways. Either those sources don't count or they do count... it's not a halfway thing where you use them for half his name. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format#Diacritics the last name should be Brière. I don't agree with including diacritics either, but that's the compromise they reached after many debates. If it bothers you so much take a look at the debates they had (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format). This requested move is about whether the first name should be Daniel or Danny, so let's not turn this into yet another diacritics debate when it really shouldn't be. --Izzygood (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying to use diacritics or not. I'm saying that since those two links are not considered legitimate sources for the last name then they cannot be considered legitimate sources for the first name. We can't have it both ways... it's hypocritical. List other sources for "Danny" that use his diacritic name to be a valid argument. That's all I'm saying. I hope that's a bit clearer. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They cannot be considered legitimate sources on diacritics, since they have a more or less official policy of ignoring them. That means that they have ruled themselves out, with regard to that issue. In (most) other cases they can be considered legitimate sources. Finally: stick to the subject: Daniel or Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 19:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
NHL and NHLPA are not legitamate in regards to any portion of his name. Give legitimate sources that shows that Danny Brière is more proper than Daniel Brière. That's what is needed. Goodness. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I don't have a strong opinion on whether it should be Daniel or Danny. I've just noted that he's called Danny in a lot of places, and so maybe that is where the article should be at here. Maybe I should have stated that earlier. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format#Nicknames the first name should be "Daniel". Powers ^T 13:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of instances of a hockey player article being located at the nickname, like Chico Resch and more fittingly in this instance, Bobby Clarke or Bobby Orr. They are more popularly known by those names and are thus located there. I think that policy is to avoid putting utterly inane nicknames like Bettsy for Blair Betts or Cartsy for Jeff Carter, locker room type nicknames that aren't widely used elsewhere, throughout the article. --Izzygood (talk) 02:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
More instances of player articles located at the nickname: Gordie Howe, Ted Kennedy and Sid Smith. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:43, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I don't disagree -- but if you're going to cite part of that page as inviolable, you have to give the same consideration to other parts of the page, too. If, on the other hand, you recognize that the nickname guidance is advisory only, then you have to grant that the diacritics guidance is likewise. Powers ^T 13:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Except that this discussion is not about diacritics. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:33, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it is. Because when I suggested removing them, you countered with a reason not to. That sounds like a discussion to me. Powers ^T 20:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure the closing admin will find your input here helpful in deciding whether or not to move Daniel Brière to Danny Brière. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: per WP:COMMONNAME, the NHL, NHLPA, etc, etc. TerminalPreppie (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I oppose the move. Powers ^T 23:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support: per reasons stated above. --Izzygood (talk) 05:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Should be moved to Daniel Briere or Danny Briere per well established wiki-policy of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. Dolovis (talk) 03:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, it shouldn't. Those guidelines say nothing about diacritics in personal names, while WP:HOCKEY clearly states that diacritics should be kept on player pages. You've not learned anything, have you? That's why you still have a page move ban. Anyway, this is about whether it should be Daniel or Danny. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This request is not about changing use of diacritics in this article. Hey Mid (contribs) 15:27, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per common name of Daniel Brière. His nickname is Danny in Philly but outside Philly he is most commonly called Daniel. A quick search of google shows this to be true. -DJSasso (talk) 19:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search shows more hits for Danny Briere. If he were known as Danny just in Philly then why does NHL.com and NHLPA.com list him as Danny Briere? Add to that list ESPN, CBS, Yahoo, hockey-reference, legends of hockey, etc. --Izzygood (talk) 23:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A number of the sources you list actually use Daniel. His Yahoo profile for example. The NHL.com lists him as such as they get the info from how the team lists him. NHLPA I believe just mirrors the NHL.com profile essentially. Now of course its only personal experience but I have heard none of the major broadcast networks call him Danny Briere. CBC, TSN and XM Radio all call him Daniel any time I have heard them mention him. And they are just as valid as print sources. -DJSasso (talk) 11:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

His Yahoo profile lists him as Danny Briere and that applies to the Canadian version of Yahoo sports as well (I thought that might be the problem but it wasn't). The sources I provided all say Danny so I don't know what you are seeing differently from me. -- It's the player that dictates what exactly he is called, not the team. For instance, Nikolay Zherdev requested that his name be changed from Nikolai to Nikolay prior to last season and his NHL.com profile was changed immediately. With regard to Briere, when he was originally signed by the Flyers he was listed as Daniel. A month later he was listed as Danny, probably at his request. -- Here is NBC referring to him as Danny Briere. That said, I'm sure Ed Olczyk has referred to him as Daniel and Danny interchangeably and that's probably the case with Canadian media. --Izzygood (talk) 18:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say its close enough that at worst they are both used extensively and interchangeably. If that is the case it should be defaulting to the actual name. My mistake on the yahoo...it was a case of google tricking me when I told it to only show me pages with Daniel and not Danny and it still showed me the profile. -DJSasso (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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