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Misgendering of PBA athletes

Fiddling with athletes these days when I noticed that several players have been misgendered as male in talk pages and included in WikiProject Women's Sport (ex. Eddie Laure, Robert Bolick, Fritz Gaston and Carlo Sharma). Is this the work of an overlooked vandal or a bug? Borgenland (talk) 17:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

It was by KiranBOT, a bot, so a bug.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hariboneagle927 and Borgenland: thank you for pointing out the mistakes. I was provided a list of around 4000 categories. These categories were supposed to contain articles about only women. There might have been an oversight while creating the list itself, or some men's articles might have been added to the incorrect categories. Regarding Carlo Sharmam, and Robert Bolick which are from Category:De La Salle Green Archers basketball players is for men's players, which seems to have been in the list. While Eddie Laure was assistant coach of the UST Golden Tigresses women's varsity basketball team, maybe thats why he is of interest for the women's wikiproject? Fritz Gaston is in the Category:Philippines women's national basketball team coaches. I am willing to rectify/make changes based on suggestions, but I think first we should look for the reason which caused these edits. Maybe @Hmlarson: can help. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

There had been men who had coached women's sports teams in the Philippines (and probably elsewhere).

Tip for categorization for college sports teams: In the USA, the women's teams almost always have the same team nicknames as the men's teams. For example, the women's basketball team of the University of North Carolina are also the "Tar Heels", just like the men (not "Lady Tar Heels"). There are a very few exceptions. In categorization, the way to distinguish is the word "men's or "women's" in the titles.

In the Philippines, the women's teams are named after the women's counterpart of the male nickname, which is always (no exception) the primary nickname. For example, the men's basketball team of the Far Eastern University are the "Tamaraws", while the women's team are the "Lady Tamaraws". It can be creative, like "Growling Tigers/Tigresses", but mostly the word "Lady" is added, like "Knights/Lady Knights". The 2 exceptions are Ateneo de Manila University and University of the Philippines Diliman, which are like the US teams having the same nickname regardless of sex, so it's always "Blue Eagles" and "Fighting Maroons", respectively. For categorization, the women's teams usually have the word "Lady", while the men's teams do not.

There were a series of WP:RMs about this, and the latest just ended a few days ago. See Talk:University Athletic Association of the Philippines#College sports articles naming; there had been categories that had been renamed as a result.

While men can coach women, men can't play with women (not yet), and women don't play with men (no women are good as men yet to make a team), so the player categories can be straightforward for now. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:39, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have identified following 51 categories that may be non-women. would you folks kindly confirm it?

I can reverse the changes to the articles from that list. I already have the program ready. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I can only speak for projects involving the Philippines. For now there is certainly that Ateneo men’s, UP men’s and the 2 UAAP men’s are wrongly categorized. Will check the others later. Borgenland (talk) 12:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Jeez Category talk:UAAP men's basketball tournaments was tagged as women's sport when the category title itself mentions men. All Adamson, Ateneo, La Salle, FEU, NU, UE and UST categories were also wrongly tagged.

Interestingly, the NCAA (Philippines) teams may not have been affected. I checked Category talk:Letran Knights basketball players and there were no women's sports project link.

Category:Kentucky State Thorobrettes basketball is a women's team; the men's team are the Category:Kentucky State Thorobreds basketball, an example of Philippine-style naming in the USA.

The other categories seem to be sports teams and competitions from other countries and someone else should make a judgment on those. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

List of Rainbow Rumble episodes

Is this list article even necessary? At the very least, it can be merged with Rainbow Rumble#Episodes but focusing on salient details: episode date, team name, contestants (in linear list like this that I am writing now, not bulleted/vertical list), and the episode winner. We don't need to know the ratings of each episode; that may be leaning to WP:FANCRUFT, which is an issue in many Philippine showbiz articles. The list itself is FANCRUFT to me, and multiple sources are WP:NIS and non-independent (e.g. ABS-CBN Entertainment) and are from social media like Instagram, but WP:RSPINSTAGRAM and WP:SOCIALMEDIA. Notable game shows of the past like Kapamilya, Deal or No Deal and Game Ka Na Ba? do not even have separate episode list articles. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I also have an issue similar to this concerning the article Kalokalike: Face 4, which the creator of this article also made. If you look at the sections Daily Rounds and Semi-Finals, you will see that each episode is highly detailed, from the contestants and their acts, down to the names of the judges and their ratings of those contestants. Most cited references point to video clips of episodes published by those non-independent of the subject.

Overall, the sections function like a very detailed list of each episode (like a database) which may or failing WP:NOTDATABASE. It also makes the article look more like a stand-alone list instead of a normal article. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

In all honesty, I wouldn't mind if these were soap operas. But game shows somewhat fall into a WP:ROUTINE category of television programming without a dynamic narrative to justify branch articles. Borgenland (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

On top of that, several entries in Category:Lists of Philippine drama television series episodes may need to be reviewed for possible issues like WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NIS. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Started now the deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Rainbow Rumble episodes. All succeeding comments are best posted there instead of this discussion thread. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Marco Masa

See Talk:Marco Masa (actor). It is ridiculous to keep the disambig. Borgenland (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Maguindanaon

Hello! I am a Maguindanaon native speaker so basically I started making translations for the infobox template for the language in the incubator. I may have some questions regarding the template for the infobox. Thanks! Bangsa Manusia (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Bangsa Manusia. Glad to hear that a Maguindanaon Wikipedia is coming! What are your questions about the infobox? I presume this is for the Incubator? --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 10:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I wanna know where to find the list of infobox templates in order to translate every templates so nothing's left behind. Thanks Bangsa Manusia (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

As templates are frequently created and deleted, there isn't really a master list. You may be best copying over a selection you find needed for the needs of Maguindanaon Wiki. For this see mediawikiwiki:Help:Templates#Copying from one wiki to another. CMD (talk) 13:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm currently translating in translatewiki but I'll look it up next time Bangsa Manusia (talk) 08:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Philippines news archives

I'm currently working on a draft for 1967's Typhoon Anita, however, I haven't been able to find a lot of news covering it, despite killing at least 52 people (20 direct, 32 indirect). Are there any news archives in the Philippines which include news that dates back to 1967 or older? Tavantius (talk) 16:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You may try seeing the New York Times on that. Borgenland (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Tavantius: Online, there is practically none. You may have some luck looking at periodical archives in some physical libraries like the National Library of the Philippines, but I myself have not been able to visit to check if they (or other libraries) have good periodical archives. If you can broaden the scope to use non-Philippine sources, you can try to use news sources from The Wikipedia Library, but most of those newspapers will, of course, not be Filipino. Chlod (say hi!) 16:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Rizal Library has them in microfilm. Borgenland (talk) 16:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Your best bets are what you can find elsewhere. Google Newspaper Archive has Philippine entries, and the earliest go only up to 1987 via the Manila Standard. The Global Press Archive has a Southeast Asian collection that includes the Philippines; these are during the American occupation of the country in the early 20th century.

So for your specific question, there are next to none in the internet, but if you want to go to a library there should be something that you can find. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

For older periodicals, I usually recommend the UP Diliman Main Library Open Access Repository. That said, not everything is digitized: their coverage of 1967 is scant, with the only news-related periodicals available being a few issues of The Bicol Star and the Philippine Panorama. Not sure if any of those could help, but if there are digitized newspaper archives available, you will need to access them from the library in question (usually the Ateneo de Manila's Rizal Library or the National Library's collections). --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 16:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

2025 Philippine general election/2025 Philippine local elections

There have been articles sprouting around, more so on local elections. These are all using the old {{Election box}} templates, which are clunky, and you still need a calculator. The national elections are all using {{Election results}} now, and are automatically calculated. These are series of articles are not consistent and we should move on to {{Election results}} as most people do not bother to add percentages anyway, so the new templates avoids that. See 2022 Manila local elections on how it looks.

Also, candidate lists also violate MOS:COLHEAD. We should probably find a new way to present these lists.

Tagging @IIgnacio, @BhlJRama, @Einahr, @Jpg0813, @WhiteStar2000, @PH 0447, @EdrianJustine, @James100000, @Jethski05 to have the results tables converted to the templates, so that our senate elections and local elections all look consistent. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Second ladies and second gentleman

Please check the Categories for deltion for Second ladies and gentlemen of the Philippines it has been an impasse and would probably benefit for or against deletion of said category.05:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Articles for optional LRT-1 station are created too soon?

Seeking the advice of railfans here. I think these articles, Manuyo Uno station and Talaba station, violate WP:CRYSTAL and are basically cases of WP:TOOSOON. I've sort of followed the developments of the LRT-1 extension including the impending opening of the 1st phase up to Dr. Santos station but there has never been any serious mention of these proposed Manuyo Uno and Talaba stations. Personally, I think both stations are awkwardly placed. —seav (talk) 09:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree, proposed stations are usually not notable. A quick google search for similar cases turned up Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Street railway station which was a redirect. These could be draftified I suppose, although most of their text is general LRT information. CMD (talk) 11:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Manuyo Uno and Talaba were actually designed as part of the LRT-1 South Extension proposals of years past, but as far as I know have only recently been made "optional". If there is information that points to the notability of these stations, then I don't see why we should keep them, but if there isn't then it would be a better idea to draftify them so we have them for later when the stations actually get built out. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 18:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Based on the comments above, I boldly moved both to the Draft space where they won't bother regular stations until they're needed. —seav (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Apparently, you can't draftify articles that are older than 90 days per WP:DRAFTNO and this move has been reverted by CFA. Per WP:BRD, if nobody objects or suggests an alternative course of action by tomorrow, I will start an AfD for these two articles and we can then formally discuss their merits and notability and they could potentially be deleted or maybe properly (instead of boldly) draftified. —seav (talk) 00:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Divisions section in infoboxes of provincial articles

I'm not sure if this has already been discussed (did a quick search of the archives) but I think listing all cities and municipalities under a Template:Collapsible list in the infobox is too much detail and is basically redundant with the corresponding section in the article body. See Pangasinan for an example. I think it's enough to state how many cities and municipalities a province has in the infobox but not to list all of them there. —seav (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

See also Metro Manila's infobox. I'd agree on this, like x municipalities, y component cities, also associated with z independent component/highly urbanized cities. Also, we'd also do not have to list every board member or councilor. Just the party standing like (PFP 5, Lakas 5, nonpartisan 2) should suffice.

Also, since we're into LGU articles, several articles all elected officials as "Members of the municipal council", e.g. La Trinidad, Benguet#Elected officials. Contrast that with Iba, Zambales#Government which does it right; only the councilors and the vice mayor are members of the Sangguniang Bayan, I'd even include the ABC, SK and IPMR (if any) as members. I'd rather do this after the election, and remove such captions, and just call it as "Elected officials". Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

What's our course of action here, removed such collapsible lists in infoboxes? There are just 82 provinces, and is doable. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I !vote to delete the lists. Not sure if we should just indicate numbers, or add a link like with Guiuan (and other city/municipality articles), and/or add a footnote about ICCs and HUCs. —seav (talk) 01:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I've checked California and Bali, first-level subdivisions, and they don't have something like this in the infobox. I've searched further, and we can emulate what Hauts-de-Seine does. I'd be wary on HUCs and ICCs; these should be clearly distinguished that those are not under provinces. Here in Wikipedia, I've seen "Naga is geographically in Camarines Sur"... which doesn't make sense as Camarines Sur is a province and a natural feature. Even if say, "Cebu City is geographically in Cebu", yes it is geographically in Cebu island, but Cebu provinces is a political unit. I'd not exclude these though, and just some add some note about this. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)