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The contents of the Shish taouk (Montreal) page were merged into Shawarma on 12 December 2017. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.
Dear users, dear WWGB, I have provided a source from the 13th century with the first ever mention of the principle of the shawarma, proving it originated in Syria and not the Ottoman Empire. The edits were removed, however, I would like it to be returned. Syr de (talk) 13:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) It's listed as a cookbook, not a scholarly resource. We'd want to verify where they're getting this claim from, but if they just say it without any evidence, it won't be compatible with our WP:RS rules.
The book is not just a cookbook. It's one of the most famous cultural books which explains much about the benefits and recipes of food, perfumes, soap, and medicine. It has its own Wikipedia page. The page number regarding the shawarma wrap is 25, it was written in the citation. The word shawarma was not written there, as it was derived from the Ottomans, but the dish definitely first originated in the 13th century and its confirmed in this book. The specific text that I am referring to, which directly describes the preparation of the shawarma is as follows:
"Put a fattened chicken on a skewer. Dig a niche in a wall and build a hot charcoal fire in it. Take sieved bread crumbs and place in a pan or tray under the chicken, but not on the fire. Roast in the niche on the side exposed to the fire, letting the fat drip onto the bread crumbs. When done, add sugar, pistachios, and rose water to the bread crumbs and stuff the chicken. While the chicken is roasting, rub with chicken fat, rose water, beaten sesame oil, and salt, keeping the pan or tray beneath it. From time to time, use a feather to baste the chicken with rose water and sesame oil."
It describes the chicken being held onto a vertical skewer with a fire source on the side, where the fat of the chicken is dripped onto a tray beneath it. This is the core idea of the shawarma installation. Syr de (talk) 19:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This does not say the chicken is sliced and stacked, or that it is rotated. The term "shawarma" is not used. I could equally claim this is an ancient recipe for a type of "roast chicken". Your assertion amounts to WP:SYNTHESIS. I do not support its inclusion. WWGB (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree with your points, you should read the arabic version. It describes a form of stacking the chicken. The word shawarma wasn't used back then as it originated in the Ottoman empire. Syr de (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if I may be the only one, but there had been on and off edit warrings due to mentions of Israel. I personally think that anyone who tries erasing Israel's information need a straight warning or maybe even a block. Transporting the Israel-Palestine conflict here is certainly unethical. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This page has been a source of ethno-nationalist edit warring for years. I'm afraid that's nothing new. If it gets bad, you can go to WP:RFPP and request the page be protected to prevent vandalism, but mostly there's enough people watching the page to just revert it on sight. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite12:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The associated cuisine has listed Arab cuisine for quite a while now, see for example this or thisthis version. Also that bit is covered by ARBPIA, and @ShawarmaFan07 you may not edit material related to the Arab-Israeli conflict due to not having 500 edits. nableezy - 19:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You may not edit material related to the Arab-Israeli conflict anywhere on Wikipedia except to make edit requests on talk pages, please see the notification on your user talk page. nableezy - 19:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you keep reverting back to "Arab" cuisine from "Middle East"? The lead literally state that it is a Middle Eastern dish. Israel, Turkey, Georgia are mentioned and they are literally not Arabic speaking countries. We need to stop edit warring. Please. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mellk @Nableezy @HandThatFeeds this question is to you guys. We must make a consensus before reverting back and fourth. If Israel and Turkey traditionally consume shawarma, then why should be exclusive in the Arab cuisine? ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked this previously but nobody seemed to answer, so I will ask again. Why should it just be labelled as "Arab Cuisine" rather than just Middle Eastern? Again, shawarma is traditionally consumed in Israel and Turkey, both of which are clearly mentioned in this article. So why should it just be called an Arab cuisine? BelburyNableezy@TheHandThatFeedsShawarmaFan07 (talk) 12:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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