User talk:Nohat/archive 2005-02-22

This content was archived from my user talk page on 22 February 2005. Nohat 05:14, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to my talk page. It was getting a little unwieldy, so I've decided to clean it up. Please leave any new comments in the appropriate section, or make a new one. If you're lazy, you can just leave a message at the bottom. I'll put it where it belongs when I read it. --Nohat

Not being lazy, using the Post a Comment link to the left. --Phil 15:24, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

New policy as of 2 March 2004: This is a no-deletions page. Nothing that gets added to this page can be deleted by anyone but me. Anyone who deletes from the page can expect to be reverted.

Articles

Close-mid front unrounded vowel

I think, in the Article about e, you made a mistake. I corrected it. But I'm no expert, so maybe you should check that. --Neg 15:34, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Genital mutilation

Why was the article moved without prior discussion? // Liftarn

I again ask you to not move the article without prior discussion. // Liftarn

Each time, except for the first, I have only moved the page after discussing it. Nohat

But you haven't managed to reach any consensus. // Liftarn

Speech synthesis

Hello, Nohat, and Welcome to Wikipedia! I like your changes to Speech synthesis -- the article is much improved. The Anome 22:06 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Talk:Clitoris

I thought you might be interested in the opinion poll going on now at Talk:Clitoris. MB 18:11 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I have been following the discussion, and although I don't think the photo should be embedded on the page, I don't really have a good reason to feel to that way, so for now, I'll abstain. OTOH, if you want to argue pronunciation, I'm your man. Nohat

List of words of disputed pronunciation

I don't think I know enough to detect many other problems. I'd just assumed app-ricot was only current in the US (North America?) and so I looked a bit deeper. Just seemed odd on a page that elsewhere took pains to distinguish between British, Australian and American usage. On TV here it's popular to advertise some products (shampoo, junk food, kids' toys, action movies) with an American voice-over and I particularly recall one for app-ricat shampoo.

Of course, one dificulty with vowel sounds is that nobody in the UK actually speaks RP anyway. Along with everyone north of Warwick, I maintain that "dance" and "romance" rhyme, but that's not how the dictionaries have it - they have "dance" with a long a.

On "harass", early stress - HArass - is the only variant in my UK dictionaries and my aged parents' heads. Also, dictionary.cambridge.org gives just that version in "[UK] Advanced learners", but both versions in "American English". But see my additions to Frank Spencer.

172.190.97.145 00:03, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

That was me by the way.

About "Washington" - it doesn't look like its a pronunciation difference to me, just one of accent. Everyone agrees the first sylable is the same as "wash", but they say "wash" differently. Perhaps a problem with the phonetic descriptions is that they're so exact they include the accent as well as the general pronunciation. Maybe it would be more neutral to say e.g. the debate is whether "apricot" shares its first sylable with "ape" or "application".

Andy G 21:38, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

List of English words with frequent misuse

Hi, I've had a go at NPOVing List of English words with frequent misuse, if you get a chance would you take a look at it and see if you now think it's suitable for wikipedia. Cheers, fabiform | talk 07:48, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Dutch language

Thanks for the accent fix in Dutch language. I tend to confuse the two. Darkelf 02:09, Dec 28, 2003 (UTC)

Hello, David. Could you email me, please? -戴&#30505sv 01:12, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

TMDA

Hi, thank you for not editing the TMDA article while I was using it and posted an inuse message. I managed to improve it a bit. Ilyanep 01:45, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Photos on Ithaca, New York

I like the Cascadilla pictures very much. If you perhaps have a picture or two that could be used to clarify the layout of the city (flats/East Hill/South Hill/West Hill), that would be great to include as well. --Opus33 18:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid that exhausts my photographs of Ithaca. Maybe if I get bored one day I'll go take some photos, but it's winter now and the photos would be ugly. We'll see. --Nohat 19:00, 2004 Feb 20 (UTC)

Invisible sentences in Tamil language

Hi, I saw that you had edited Tamil language recently. I just noticed that there are some invisible sentences in the page which turn up when you edit the whole page but that are not visible in the main page. They are preceded and succeeded by some strange signs like arrows. So when I edit a particular section in the area where the invisible sentences are, they edit those sentences rather than the ones I want. These sentences are on language in general, so is this a bug /error or a content error? I saw your edit history where you were attempting to put it into a new format. Is the problem because of this? KRS 10:26, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

IPA charts

Hi Nohat. I've been chopping up the IPA charts you uploaded (for X-SAMPA). You've not got any details of the source of the images – did you draw them, and are they GFDL? :) (I probably should have asked before I uploaded over 100 seperate characters, because now I've got to go and tag them all!). Cheers, fabiform | talk 13:07, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC).

In case it makes a difference, it's this specific one I've been using: Image:Ipa-chart-all-1000px.png. fabiform | talk 13:17, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Scoville scale

I'm not convinced of the correctness of your latest updates to this page [1] particularly since you seem to have obliterated two Interwiki links. Various other items make no sense: eg Dave's Insanity Sauce is out of sequence, and 2,5000 is not a proper number. Do you want to fix it? --Phil 08:20, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

That's the ticket. What happened the first time around? --Phil 15:20, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

I think I was accidentally editing a previous revision of the page. Sorry about the confusion. Nohat 15:26, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)

Hangeul vs. Hangul (Hangul)

Hi, Nohat: The Korean word 한글 should be romanized as "Hangeul"—the word's spelling according to South Korea's official Revised Romanization of Korean—and not "Hangul." "Hangul" does not conform to any current or former romanization system, although it comes close to "Hangŭl," the McCune-Reischauer spelling of the word. The Revised Romanization of Korean has replaced McCune-Reischauer as the official romanization system in South Korea, and as the word 한글 is not even used in North Korea, the word should be spelled according to its official South Korean spelling. Wikipedia suffers already from too many irregular spellings of Korean words and names, and a few of us have steadily brought all the anarchy into line, largely through the rules on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean). Please do not undo all our work by capriciously changing the official spelling of words to suit your personal preferences! --Sewing 06:10, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I responded on Talk:Hangeul Nohat 15:16, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)

I feel very strongly about your changes. Please undo your changes. If you suggest a different spelling, I think you should talk about this first. Kokiri 23:41, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Here a quote from Google test: It should be stressed that none of these applications is conclusive evidence, but simply a first-pass heuristic. Kokiri 23:43, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sound sample for Close-mid central unrounded vowel

Hi, I notice that you've uploaded all the audio files used as sound samples in the Vowels series of articles; for some reason, Media files Media:Vow-01a.wav to Media:Vow-27a.wav exist with the exception of Media:Vow-11a.wav. That file is linked to from Close-mid central unrounded vowel. I tried locating the right audio file from the UCLA Phonetics lab page but couldn't. Could you fix the issue? Thanks. Ambarish 02:26, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) P.S. You can respond here as I'll be watching this page.

Logo

Well you do do good work. People call me an asshole, but I say what I think. I'm just glad to see talented people at work. I'll be uploading some color-variants tonight. Maybe they will spark some more refinement and ideas. PS- speaking of professionalism-- I'd never used the color overlays before-- took some getting used to. But I see now that raster-layer versions of that file would have been just about enormous. (roughly) ;) -戴&#30505sv 07:07, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Non-transparent Pixel in many Logos

Dear Nohat, in our german [Wiki.pgn] and many others, there are non-transparent pixel around the globus. This Problem has been fixed in the english Version. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Wiki_logo_versionen.png.

Do you have a solution for this problem instead of deleting false pixels by hand?! Best wishes -- [VisualBeo] 02:10, 01. Dec 2004 (CEST)

Required logo updates

Could you upload logo variants with the subtitles

L'encyclopédie Libre (French
Den Fria Encyklopedin (Swedish)
De vrije encyclopedie (Dutch)
Den frie encyklopædi (Dansk)
Wolna encyklopedia (Polish)
A szabad lexikon (Hungarian)
La Libera Enciklopedio (Esperanto, also uses the name "Vikipedio" instead of Wikipedia" for some reason)
La Enciclopedia Libre (Spanish)

We'll probably need the subtitle in all languages, but these are the most important ones. I've experimented with using m:Wikipedia raster name, but this font doesn't really look nice in combination with the logo, and puzzling it together would require changes to the code; I would prefer it to have an individual file for each language.—Eloquence 21:41, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)

Waou, thank Nohat. For the logo

I immediately go make a putch on the fr :-) Anthère 01:29, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

You got the text wrong on Danish and Polish (at least as per the old logos), see above.—Eloquence 03:08, Oct 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I have copied this from talk about your logo on Meta in case you haven't noticed it:

Could you use normal cyrillic I ( И ) instead of short I? It is also unique for Cyrillic but, unlike short I, present in Serbian and Macedonian as well. Or, if you're afraid that some people will think it is N upside down, you could use Zhe ( Ж ); I think it is more often used as a sample Cyrillic letter, it is symetric, and (unlike I) doesn't originate from Greek alphabet (so, it is more Cyrillic, in a way). Nikola Smolenski 11:44, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Nikola 06:53, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Logo in vector format

Hi Nohat, let me first thank you for the new logo: great job. Is the Logo available in vector format (Illustrator, Freehand, EPS, ...)? If so, could you please mail it to arne at klempert . de? The german speaking wikipedia would like to provide it for printing (Newspapers). Thank you. Arne

A note on meta:Logo history would also be helpfull. I spent uselessly some time on searching for a high-resolution version. Is it also available as 3D object?

Thanks for the logo

Hey thanks for doing the logo! Dori | Talk 01:29, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the updated Malay logo too. Kowey 07:59, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Logo for the Hindi Wikipedia

Hello, I've posted subtitle athttp://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_other_languages Please do the needful. Thanks... - Hemanshu

Logo for Malayalam (ml) Wikipedia

Hi Nohat, thanks for your effort. While your choice of words is good, unfortunately, the spelling is incorrect. This has most probably a result of the still buggy implementation of the rendering of Malayalam Unicode in many browsers. I'll modify your picture using Gimp and try to put it on the Meta page. Thanks again for your commendable efforts. --Vinodmp 07:00, 18 Feb 2004 UTC

Big French logo

Hi Nohat! I have the same request as Arne, but about the french logo. Someone wants it in vectorial format (eps would be perfect) to put it on the cover of the magazine. It would be very nice if you could add the link to it on http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Interview . Thank you very much in advance, Med 20:40, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC).

Hi, Thanks for the logo, but there is a spelling mistake : It is "L'Encyclopédie Libre" with a Y. Yann 16:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thank you Nohat, it is perfect Med 21:11, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Trouble in All the Logos!

Hi Nohat, I just noticed that the Hindi letters in the logo are incorrect. I'm talking about the left most piece of the puzzle visible in the logo. It reads, the letter VA followed by the vowel sign I. But this vowel sign always appears on the left of the letter (VA in this case) and not the right as it appears in the logo. You must have got this from an incorrectly rendering browser. Since the is going to be some sort of an official logo, I feel that this should be fixed at the earliest opportunity. Please drop me a line if you would like more info/help. I'm not aware whether the Telugu or Kannada letter appearing as the bottom-most visible piece is correct or not. Since Unicode support in browsers for South Asian languages is still evolving, it would be a good idea to check with the respective Wikipedias before you use the rendering from the browsers. Thanks --Vinodmp 19:30, 18 Feb 2004 UTC

The bottom of the two leftmost jigsaw "squares" in the logo have the Devanagari glyphs "va", and "i-matra" in that order, like this:

This combination does not stand for anything in Devanagari. The correct way to write "vi" in Hindi (as in "vikipīḍiyā", Hindi for "wikipedia") is to write the "i-matra" before the "va" like this:

Many browsers incorrectly display this in the order shown in the logo since Unicode requires the matra (combining form of a vowel) to be present after the consonant ("va" in this case) irrespective of languages, and the rendering engine of the browser might not know that it has to transpose the characters. It could have been worse as in some cases a consonant with a matra bears no resemblance with either the consonant or the vowel or the matra. The problem here is not that the glyphs shown do not represent the initials of "wikipedia", but that what is shown makes no sense in Devanagari. -- Paddu 18:22, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Browsers have nothing to do with this. Why would I use a browser to make an image? The problem is the indic script support in Photoshop is broken, as you describe. Also, only some of the symbols were selected to represent "Wikipedia"— others were chosen at random. The fact that the Devanagari, if it were rendered correctly, represents "vi" is purely coincidence. Secondly, the Devanagari portion of the logo is partially obscured by being on the side of sphere. And third, seeing as how there are already many different versions of the logo at meta:Wikipedia in other languages, I am very reluctant to regenerate all of them because there are so many and it seems like a minor problem. Finally, I am somewhat annoyed that no one brought this to my attention before the logo was finalized and installed on the wikis, as in this case late is extremely inconvient, and not necessarily better than never. C'est la vie. Since it appears some people care, I am willing to re-make the logo with the correct Devanagari symbols. However, if I'm going to re-make the logo, I want to be sure all the selected symbols are correct, so someone is going to have to lead a project to make a collection of symbols that in some way represents or denotes "Wikipedia" in different writing systems. I'm too "logoed-out" to lead such a project, but please feel free to make a page on meta for collecting a set of symbols. If a set of symbols can be agreed-upon by consensus, I'll be more than happy to make a new version of the logo with those symbols. Nohat 00:00, 2004 Mar 24 (UTC)

I just wanted to make Vinodmp's comment clearer. I had not noticed it was Devanagari until I saw Vinod's comments, so I presume not many would. I feel it's OK to keep the logos as such. Also, it could be noted that changing it to "va" by removing the "i-matra" would probably ("probably", since I know nothing about making images:( ) be easier than transposing the two glyphs. Again, this is just to make note of it somewhere, I'm happy with the current logos. And BTW, I'm so used to reading Indian scripts on Mozilla, I had forgotten to replace "browsers" with "software" (and also replace "Hindi" with "Devanagari") before posting, sorry for that:). -- Paddu 07:46, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Very nice job on your banner

Commendable job! My hats off to you. (pun is intended--i hate when people say "pun not intended") Perl 01:34, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd make a pun about your username, but I can't think of anything good, so I'll just mention that Perl is my favorite programming language. Also, that was a quick response! --Nohat 01:36, 2004 Feb 23 (UTC)

Wikipedia on TV

I don't know if you actually designed the logo, but I thought you'd like to see it on TV anyway. :) This was posted in IRC: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Tagesthemen-smile.jpg fabiform | talk 22:36, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Logo success

Congratulations on your logo being featured on German national TV:

File:Wikipedia ARD TagesSchau.jpg

I think this proves its general attractiveness. Looks like their background designer had a little fun with it.—Eloquence 06:34, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

Hello. I've actually wanted to ask if you are fine with media using the logo as a part of their coverages on Wikipedia. I mean, I don't think they comply with GFDL and state your name, etc. And some of uses may or may not be "fair use" or other similar use allowed in their local legal framework.

Now I am participating Japanese Wikipedia's press release and related matters, and we just got this inquiry from a publisher asking a permission to include a screenshot of wikipedia's article (that would include the logo). If you are unhappy with such a use, I would tell them to be careful. If you are fine, I would tell them so as well.

Lastly, thanks again for the logo. I voted for it, and I am glad I did! :-) Tomos 04:37, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

And here's another one:

File:Rtl2-wikipedia.png

I think having designed the Wikipedia logo will be one of the best moves in your career ;-).—Eloquence 00:30, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Um... Nohat did'nt 'design' remember - Pallus Magnus did. ;) -S 01:01, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Slight Irish logo error

Hi - I realised just too late that encyclopedia is a feminine noun in Irish, not masculine. As such, there is a slight spelling change - the subtitle "An ciclipéid saor" should read "An chiclipéid shaor". Would there be any way you could make a corrected version? And also, just out of interest, what font is it? --Kwekubo 20:58, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering whether you had made a corrected version of the logo yet. If you have, would it just be uploaded to wiki.png on ga.wikipedia.org? -- Kwekubo 00:24, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Er, yes, it's been on meta:International Logos for a while. Nohat 00:40, 2004 Mar 14 (UTC)

Logo for Thai (th) Wikipedia

Hi Nohat - Thanks for your great contributions. Since Thai language is my tongue, I have added Thai transcription of "Wikipedia" to http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_other_languages. I also corrected the subtitile since wording of "Free" in the original version means "free" as in free beer instead of "libre". Your choice of Thai typeface looks good, just keep it. You can also slant the subtitle to make it look like italic font. Thanks again. --Phisite 09:17, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Many thanks for your logo, it looks great --Phisite 06:05, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Font for Wikipedia Logo

Hello, nohat. I'm thinking about creating a new Wikipedia icon for myself (and anyone else who might want it), as the regular one is very low-res and doesn't scale well. I was wondering if you could tell me the name of the font you used in the logo, with the distinctive crossed W. I would very much appreciate it. Defenestration 02:32, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You can download large versions of the logo from meta:logo. The font used is Hoefler Text. Nohat 03:27, 2004 Jun 9 (UTC)

Minnan Wikipedia logo request

Hi, nohat. Please kindly create a logo for us. There was a push to use the original Holopedia logo (or a slightly altered one) -- as was used on the external site before we moved here -- but that seems to be against Wikipedia policy. The pedia name is either "Wikipedia" or if not against policy "Holopedia". Thank you. A-giau 05:35, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately I lack the standard font to create the logo myself. It appears not to be a free font or one that comes with an OS :( . A-giau 10:29, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nohat, Node has provided a logo for us. I'm no expert on the official specs but I can say it seems to be of good quality. (If not, do let me know.) Anyway, this one's done. A-giau 22:55, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Northern Sami logo

Greetings, Nohat. I would really appreciate it if you would create a logo for the Northern Sami Wikipedia (se). I have specified the contents of the logo on meta:Wikipedia in other languages. Thank you for taking time! • Tsujigiri 12:29, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hello again. Since you haven't responded or fulfilled my request, I take it you either missed it, forgot about it, or decided not to do it. Anyway, just a reminder. I would really appreciate your help. I've tried to alter the text on the logo myself, but it doesn't turn out very good. • 辻斬り ^? 15:33, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Logo for Quechuan Wikipedia (Runa Simitan Wikipidiya) (qu)

Hi, Nohat!. I'm Huhsunqu and I'd very, very apreciate if you create the quechuan logo. I've requested it on the meta page, but nobody help us. And it's very urgent, because it's got a long time created, but still hasn'y got a logo! Legend wouyld say Wikipidiya, qispi insiklupidiya. Thank you very much --Huhsunqu 00:36, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Phonetics on Wikipedia

A note by User:Paullusmagnus at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style suggested that I leave you a note about a minor project. A complaint had arisen at Wikipedia:Pages needing attention that some pages had informal and inconsistent English "phonetic spelling" pronunciation indicators that were unhelpful to non-native English speakers and that should be replaced with SAMPA. But when I started making those edits, it was complained that the SAMPA versions were unintelligible and too complicated.

Trying to find a middle ground, I've put together a proposal for Wikipedia:English phonetic spelling that you may want to have input in. My chief goal here is to create a phonemic system for English pronunciation guides that are easier to follow than SAMPA, do not call forth the sort of detail required for a full phonetic description of English sounds, but give the reader the details needed to pronounce the word. I've already added it to a number of the pages where more system was thought to be needed (Worcestershire sauce, metastasis) in hopes of seeing how it functions in actual articles. -- Smerdis of Tlön 03:23, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Worths a try: do you have bychance the source form of Image:Ipa-chart-all-1000px.png? I'd like to translate it to Hungarian but wouldn't be happy to start fiddling with the png if not necessary. --grin 16:51, 2004 Mar 11 (UTC)

Pronun Guides

From User talk:Jtdirl: The guy to talk to about that is User:Nohat - hes been on the ball as far as pooting in all kinds of SAMPA - but this was with the understanding that the SAMPA could be machine converted to either IPA or robot voice. The Taoiseach example (with an explanation of SAMPA to explain the SAMPA to describe the name pronunciation) is rather a bad example, and should be stopped, if people are getting carried away with that. CC:User:Nohat --戴&#30505sv 17:00, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Welsh digraphs

My data for ph, ff, f and ll was correlated from Welsh language, (when precisely listed, I added a {{ConvertIPA}} there, maybe I should also create {{FullIPA}} for lack of IPA references?) and Omniglot. Unless you have other opposite references, I will restore all the IPA sounds references tomorrow. --Circeus 05:50, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Weird. I could have sworn l was listed as a Voiceless alveolar lateral at some point. I'll just switch ff to a labiodental fricative. "Labial" fricatives are not referenced in Wikipedia, they're bilabial fricatives --Circeus 14:19, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

IPA & IPA Notice

The talk page for Template:IPA incorrecty redirects to Template_talk:IPA-notice. Could you suppress the redirect, since you've already corrected all pages anyway so an explanatioon of the use of the template could be put on the talk page? Especially since it is mentionned in Template:ConvertIPA, which now stands, among things, atop the English Language page. Great idea, that new IPA rendering template, BTW--Circeus 16:05, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Speedy delete

Could you look into speedy deleting Category:Language phonology? I originally used an improper name and have already moved all contents and links to Category:Language phonologies. --Circeus 07:31, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

New stub

Someone(namely Szyslak) had the nice idea to create Template:ling-stub, which I think would be of great use to Wikiproject Phonetics. --Circeus 12:57, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Ph[o/a]netician

You reverted my AmE [fɑnətɪʃn̩] to [foʊnətɪʃn̩] on International Phonetic Alphabet for English. Must say I've only ever heard the former from Americans; the latter sounds distinctly British to me. Does the fact that you're in a position to take photos of Ithaca mean you're at Cornell? If so, maybe you could ask Abby and Amanda what they say. --Angr 07:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I made that change actually based on consulting Merriam-Webster which lists the /ɑ/ pronunciation as an also, meaning significantly less common. I've just now checked the American Heritage Dictionary, which only gives the /oʊ/ pronunciation. Also, my Jones 15th ed. English Pronouncing Dictionary gives only /oʊ/ for American pronunciation, but it gives /ɒ/ as a second British one.

I'm no longer in Ithaca, but Abby was my adviser and I took phonetics from Amanda. I was in her first phonetics class at Cornell. To be honest, I don't remember with any clarity how they pronounced phonetician, but I spent 3 years in the linguistics department at Cornell and the /ɑ/ pronunciation strikes me as one I don't believe I've ever heard. I will consult with my co-workers tomorrow who are formerly of the UCSC linguistics department tomorrow, but I'm fairly certain they'll agree. Do you have any written authority for the /ɑ/ being more prevalent in American English? If so, perhaps we can select a word with a less disputed pronunciation situation... Cheers! Nohat 07:25, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, if it's what the dictionaries say, I'll let it stand. I'm sure M-W has done much more research on the question than I have. I was just going by own intuitions. I spent five years in the linguistics department at Cornell and the [oʊ] pronunciation strikes me as one I don't believe I've ever heard from an American. (My adviser was Draga; I finished in '97.) Probably we've both heard both but we only remember what we expect to remember. Anyway, [ˌfoʊnəˈtɪʃən] is the form used on the official IPA chart, so it has a precedent. --Angr 07:45, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I never believe what British pronunciation dictionaries like Jones and Wells' Longman have to say about American pronunciation. But Kenyon & Knott give [fo-], and Webster's 3rd New International (unsurprisingly) agrees with M-W in giving "[fo-], also [fɑ-]". --Angr 11:07, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Personal messages

Hey there! Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like this place and want to Stay. If you need help on how to title new articles check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions, and for help on formatting the pages visit the manual of style. IF you need help look at Wikipedia:Help and The FAQ , plus if you can't find your answer there, check The Village pump or The Reference Desk! Happy wiki-ing! -- ilyanep 22:07 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)

no fear Nohat. I will just take some vacation from editing here. And ml as much as possible. Sorry for my behavior and thank you. Thank you very much for the logo as well :-) Anthère

Hello, David. Could you email me, please? -戴&#30505sv 01:12, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration committee

Hiyas. Thanks for the response. Can I quickly confirm that the david at nohat.net email address is correct and up to date? Just want to be sure. Martin 01:56, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Problem in Greek logo

Thank you for creating the greek wikipedia logo, but i have to say that you 've done two mistakes and i will apreciate it if you could correct them! The first problem is that in capiatls the "βικιπαίδεια" is "ΒΙΚΙΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ" not "ΒΙΚΙΠΑΊΔΕΙΑ" and the second is that "Free Encyclopedia" is "Η ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ" not "ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΗ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ". I look forward to improve them. Thanks in advance. --Leonariso 12:59, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hello

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I have recently had a very upsetting experience with two administrators, and I would like your opinion of it, if you have the time. Here is a link to the pertinent information [2]. Thank you for your time, Sam Spade 23:29, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

AC votes

When you have a moment, could you vote in the matters of Plautus satire and Wik? --mav

Editing Letter Pages

You appeared to have edited all the letter pages from A to V, but why didn't you edit W to Z?? User 66.32.136.154

I'm getting there... I just finished X Nohat

Real Question

When you edited several Wikipedia pages, you saw and removed many links to radio stations. Can you explain using at least 3 detailed sentences what's wrong with mentioning these links on those pages?? User 66.245.109.252

Can you be more specific about which pages you refer to? I'd be happy to explain each edit in particular if you enumerate them for me. Nohat 23:06, 2004 Mar 16 (UTC)

Just about all the pages that you edited with links to radio stations, including Rock, B, V, and Eagle, as well as W, which is not the name of a station, but has a different use. For a more complete list, you may check your contributions page and check the histories to see what you have edited. User 66.245.109.252

Well, first, I think, overall, that the treatment of radio stations specific to Atlanta is lopsided. If Wikipedia is to have thorough coverage of Radio stations, that would be best served by working from the top down, creating articles for major radio stations and linking them where appropriate, and then moving on to less important radio stations. The importance of a radio station might be determined by the size of its advertising budget or the number of listeners. However, it seems that this approach was not taken, and instead, the bottom-up approach of creating an intricate web of pages and links about Atlanta radio stations was created without any concern for radio stations not only elsewhere in the US, but elsewhere in the world. Notwithstanding this complaint, I haven't removed any information from the radio station pages or the relevant lists. I did remove links to radio stations from several pages, and I'll summarize why below:

I removed the entry 96 Rock, an Atlanta radio station from the page Rock because it was too esoteric. As I explained on Talk:Rock, there are probably hundreds of radio stations called something like "XX Rock" or "Rock XX", and including just one from Atlanta didn't seem appropriate. If "96 Rock" were somehow significant in the history of rock radio broadcasting, I'd entertain the idea of keeping it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. If you want to compile a List of radio stations called "Rock" then you should put a link on Rock, but not just for one station. Furthermore, the radio station appears to use the name "96 Rock", not just "Rock" and so belongs if anywhere at 96 Rock
Similarly I removed the entry *Eagle 107, an Atlanta radio station from the page Eagle because it didn't seem relevant. As I explained on Talk:Eagle, there are probably thousands of businesses called "Eagle" something or other, and Wikipedia is not a yellow pages. The eagle is an important American patriotic symbol, and is used for many things, most of which are irrelevant to eagle. Furthermore the radio station appears to use the name "Eagle 107", not just "Eagle", and so belongs if anywhere at Eagle 107.
I removed the entries B 98.5 from B and V 103 from V because their names were neither B nor V, but B 98.5 and V 103, and also for similar reasons as above.

Finally, I didn't remove per se your content from W. I simply made it more accurate and complete. W is for all broadcasters, radio and television, east of the Mississippi, not just in the south. I changed

The first call letter of any television or radio station in Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, or North Carolina.

to

In broadcasting, W is generally the first letter of the radio call sign of television stations or radio stations east of the Mississippi river.

If you have futher concerns about my edits, I suggest you discuss them on the relevant page's talk page. Nohat 00:57, 2004 Mar 17 (UTC)

Wikipedia logos in other languages

Hiya. Am I right in assuming that you made all the logos at m:Wikipedia in other languages? If so, I've mentioned some issues on that page which you might want to have a look at and perhaps fix. Thanks! — Timwi 15:57, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Boards.wikimedia.org needs a new logo. -SV (talk) 20:28, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ivy League

Nice job prettifying the Ivy League MediaWiki message. Was going to get around to it today but glad to see you did. Fuzheado 04:03, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Etymology of 'viking' and abusive user on talk:viking

Hi there!

I contact you because I need a little help (mediation?) on the Talk:Viking page. I am new here, so I am not sure this is the proper channel to go through, so please bear over with me.

In the Viking article there has been some controversy over etymology. In particular one user User:Kenneth Alan is imposing his own personal theory that is in contradiction with what dictionaries say and generally nonsensical from a linguistic point of view. When being prodded with fair but critical remarks on his interpretation, he declares himself as the know-it-all genius on this matter and becomes outright abusive! I am now going to revert his changes again, but if an edit-war breaks out, please help me with finding out what to do. Thanks in advance! Fedor 08:47, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Fusion logo

Hi, regarding the Wikipedia logo; now there is a wikipedia logo for more or less every language. But there is not a real logo for all Wikipedias in general. Or it must be the logo whitout any text. A logo where you still can read "Wikipedia" but whit in the background Wikipedia in different languages. Drop "the free encyclopedia" to keep it readable. So it looks like all the different logos are put on top of them. It can be used for the Wikipedia-logo on http://www.wikimedia.org Now the English wikipedia logo is used there. What do you think of a fusion logo?Walter 18:56, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Posting Wikitech-L

I have send a posting to the list about the logos see it. You have put a lot of work in creating the logos but many Wikipedias are not using them. I think this is because the do not know about them or are not abel to get the attension of a develloper.

I hope this posting will get things in motion. There can come because of this some requests for modifications of the logos. Walter 13:57, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia in other languages (2)

Hi Nohat. Thanks for fixing the issues with the logos on meta. It would have been nice if you had also removed the issues from the blue box. Now I don't know if you have fixed the Malayalam one or if that's still an outstanding issue. Thanks. — Timwi 22:07, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No problem, Nohat. Consider my dummy un-spat and the matter forgotten. I'll remove some intemperate remarks of mine in a second, also, and apologise if they caused offense. The current arrangement (two entries for two concepts that are different but related things) is good, I think. Tannin 22:41, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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You are an administrator now

Umm. To recap. You are an administrator from today. Use your powers in a way that will reflect well on the folks who voted for you. Most of the time adminstration is very boring. But I guess it can have some new things to absorb (it is too long for me to remember, and besides there have been incremental complexity added to the office). So it is ~~probably~~ almost certainly a good idea to check up on Administrators' reading list. Ehh. I am too tired to ramble on much longer, welcome onboard. -- Cimon 02:24, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)

Naming Policy

No problem at all. I'm now just completely frustated at the whole thing, though. It's like I'm always arguing against a political agenda rather than a logical argument. If people don't like the concept of NPOV I don't really see why they want to be on Wikipedia... (Quoting me on the FAQ is perfectly okay with me, by the way.) Proteus 20:48, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Modifications of Wikipedia Logo

Hello Nohat,

I want to print the German Wikipedia logo version on a black T-Shirt. Therefor I need the German Wikipedia-Text ("Wikipedia - Die freie Enzyklopädie") in white. Besides it would be nice to have a cut out (without any background) version of the globe. Can you help me?-- Skriptum 23:15, 27. Apr 2004 (CEST)

Sure. Send me an e-mail (using the E-mail this user feature) and I'll reply with the files you need attached. Nohat 21:19, 2004 Apr 27 (UTC)

Hello Nohat, thanks for your helpfulness. One small question: did you receive the e-mails I sent you? bye -- Skriptum 21:00, 29. Apr 2004 (CEST)

Yes, I'm sorry I've been busy the past couple of days. I will try to get it to you within a day or two. Sorry for the delay. Nohat 19:32, 2004 Apr 29 (UTC)

What's the name of the font you use for the Wikipedia text in the logo?-- Skriptum 14:16, 30. Apr 2004 (CEST)

Hoefler Text Nohat 14:44, 2004 Apr 30 (UTC)

Hi Nohat. I don't want to bother you. Did you have already time for the graphics? I just want to make sure my spam filter hasn't deleted your e-mail.-- Skriptum 18:30, 07. May 2004 (CEST)

Hi Nohat. I've been working on a series of mouth diagrams to illustrate the various places of articulation in the Arabic Wikipedia, and was considering copying them over to en; but I'm no expert, so a second opinion would be handy. Could you have a look and tell me if I've made any stupid mistakes? :) They're in the other languages for alveolar consonant, bilabial consonant, etc., or you can get to them directly at [3] (bilabial, but the MediaWiki at the bottom has all the others.) - Mustafaa 06:42, 1 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Proper vs US English

Hope i did not offend you, but that's just how i see the difference between standard English and the US variant. But don't worry, i don't go about fixing spelling everywhere ;-) Anárion 20:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the implication is that American English is somehow "improper", even though more people speak and write American English than any other dialect, which strikes me as not really a very realistic view. Nohat 20:55, 2004 May 5 (UTC)

New York, New York

Don't move New York, New York, or I'll have to revert it and list you on Wikipedia: Requests for review of admin actions. Rick K 23:03, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Admin actions? How is moving a page an abuse of admin actions? At any rate, there's no point to the moving if it's just going to result in constant moves back and forth. john 23:24, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, Nohat deleted New York City prior to the move, so one could consider than an admin action. Cf wikipedia:deletion policy, wikipedia:deletion log, wikipedia:candidates for speedy deletion. But I have no opinion on the location of some US city. :)Martin 23:29, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose. But if the move itself were proper, it would be a completely uncontroversial move to delete a redirect page. john 23:31, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Please point to ANY vote to move it to City of New York. Rick K 02:23, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Nohat, I have moved the conversation from Wikipedia:Requests for review of admin actions to the City of New York talk page. Since you are a Wikipedian of high standing and a pillar of forebearance, I can only assume that the retailiatory listing there under your user name was made by, um, your cat. And that you will, in the future, log out before leaving your cat alone in the machine room. There. 'Nuff said? UninvitedCompany 19:26, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

It was actually both of my cats, operating in concert. One distracts me, and the other does things on Wikipedia to tarnish my reputation. Nohat 19:39, 2004 May 10 (UTC)

Nohat, I'm giving up on this war since it's obvious that you and your ilk are going to do whatever you want to do. However, would you please fix all of the double redirects that your moved called? There are hundreds of pages where New York City redirected to New York, New York, and now that New York, New York has been moved to City of New York (which nobody is going to expect to look for, sigh), can you change all of the redirects from New York City to City of New York? Rick K 00:26, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we have to have it at City of New York, anyway? Personally, I'd just assume leave it at New York, New York, pending the results of rejiggering the whole naming convention. Also, Rick, maybe if you were less of an asshole, people wouldn't dislike you so much. john 00:48, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Logo

Hi Nohet. For a meeting, I would need a couple of logos high resolution, in various languages. I found on meta, the big fr, de and en logos. If you could make it available for me a couple more with various languages (very different languages, such as chinese, arabic etc...) that would be great). I am limited in polices :-( Do you think this is possible ? Thanks. SweetLittleFluffyThing

Naming Conventions

Hi, I've proposed some modifications to your proposed naming conventions, largely with respect to how disambiguation is to be done. I'd appreciate your comments. I thought refocusing the discussion on your actual proposals, rather than continuing the fruitless discussions that had been going on, might get things back on track. john 16:49, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Swahili Logo

Hi Nohat, could you create the Swahili Logo for me please, with the text "Wikipedia - Kamusi elezo huru". Thanks. Marcoscramer 16:51, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

done, see meta. Node 06:26, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration committee: Mr-Natural-Health

This is a note requesting your vote in my complaint concerning Mr-Natural-Health. Accept/decline/abstain, just as long as it doesn't just go stale. Thanks :-) - David Gerard 10:02, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia Logo

Is there a way to produce a vectorgraphic from the current png that scales? I just received some info on the IRC chat that you would be "the" person to contact?!

Jamesday	If you need true vector representation, NoHat at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nohat is the person to contact

Please contact me on my discussion page --Paddyez 02:03, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, i forgot to say why I ask this stupid question ;-) Well it is because I want to promote it in my city Hannover in Germany. I have found a place to promote it and I only need a scaleable graphic of the WP logo for it. --Paddyez 03:04, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi,

I need a vectorgraphic logo with the French text for printing T-shirts for the French local chapter. Here are the instructions i got from the printer [4]. Thanks. Yann or yann (at) forget-me (dot) net

Russian language

Thank you very much for your input. With respect to the headings: definitely, the standard terms look better. However, just because of the way the article is structured, I've moved history back to the end and writing system back to the front (after the introductory geog. dist., etc.). Please let me try to explain more deeply my reasons for doing so. Because Russian dialects pronounce the vowels in drastically different ways, transliteration is extremely difficult: therefore, all the examples are best given in the Cyrillic. On the other hand, an article without examples would be that much poorer. This is why I put the writing system as essentially my first linguistic section. Now, history. The history of Russian is properly limited to the last thousand years or so; before that, all is archaelogy and conjecture. During this time there have been invasions and conquest, but there has not really been the sort of ethnic mixing that would contribute to large scale changes in language. Even before the historical period, there are those who claim Russians (Slavs, whatever) are autochthonous in the central plain of where they are now, but (if there be disagreement) that is really ethnography at best, politics at worst, and not something to get into in an article on language. The lack of cultural takeover by invading groups MAY (?) explain why, by the way, the grammatical structure remains so ancient, and Old Russian (Ruthenian? East Slavic? more politics!) is comparatively easier to understand from the modern point of view than Anglo-Saxon. So a history of the language is either hopelessly complex for a general introduction, or, as I've tried to do it, an account of vocabulary changes, with very brief notes on everything else. But word lists are empty if not given their context: morphology, syntax, a description of the vocabulary as it now stands. So that's why history goes last. One last point. I've looked at the Language template carefully after your changes (and my partial revert). I think it says somewhere that it is not meant to be absolute. And the other "conformant" languages all seem to customize the top-level headings slightly. At the moment, the top-level headings in Russian are standard, but the order is not. But I hope I've persuaded you a bit. I write this long reply directly to you because in the end I don't wnat to get into edit wars and other messes. Again, thank you for the input. A. Shetsen 04:41, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Macquarie Dictionary link on Australian English

Hiya, just wanted to say that that was an excellent explanation on Talk:Australian English as to why the Macquarie Dictionary link was OK but the Aussie English CD link was unacceptable advertising. I doubt that I could have explained my actions as well as you did, cheers! —Stormie 01:05, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah the only problem is that there is a truckload of free content at http://www.aussieenglishcd.com/multimedia_samples.php - indeed, more than at the Macquarie Dictionary Site (which you have to pay $15 per year for!!!). There's a whole slang dictionary, and you can actually listen to Aussie English being used and explained. You can't get that anywhere else on the web. Users miss out on that because of what? Looks more like a case of lefties gone mad. Not all commercial products are evil guys - especially when they give away content for free.

Wikipedians by location

Welcome to San Jose! Where did you come from? Elf | Talk 16:24, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. For some odd reason I assumed it was from somewhere else in CA. Didn't look at your user contributions to figure it out. :-) I'm a NY native but have been in the Bay Area since 1968 so it hardly matters. My mom lived in Ithaca for some time. Elf | Talk 03:12, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Polish Wikibooks

Could You help me with Polish Wikibooks logo? I want to change the slogan to "Myśl za darmo", but I don't know how. Reytan 15:52, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Admin

In case you're interested, User:Sewing has been nominated an admin. Have a nice day! Kokiri 12:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

User:Bugmenot

Disclaimer: I've never used the Bugmenot account

While I understand why the User:Bugmenot account was 'reclaimed' (though how it could be reclaimed when it was clearly always open is a mystery to me), I don't think that the account was such a problem.

A quick glance at the account's contributions show that it was never used for anything malicious and all the edits were useful and added value to Wikipedia. Furthermore, the concentration of edits in universities shows that this account was used by very few people (perhaps just one).

Given that someone will simply create a new account when BugMeNot.com returns (and you know it'll be back), perhaps it would be advisable to restore Bugmenot's openness and keep a very close eye on it. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. - 62.64.160.126 01:17, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"Vowels" are not letters; "vowels" are sounds

if "RP speech is non-rhotic, meaning that written r is pronounced only if it is followed by a vowel", then how is it that "'here we are' does not have either r pronounced"?

Because no vowel (i.e., no vowel sound) follows the "r" in "are". Children are taught that certain letters are vowels. To linguists, vowels are not letters; vowels are sounds. People accustomed to discussion of linguistic matters sometimes forget that to many people, "vowel" still means what they were told it means when they were children. Michael Hardy 19:45, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Slovak logo

Please make Slovak logo with correct text in nice font. Currently there's a good-looking logo with incorrect text (Slobodnej encyklopédie) and ugly logo with correct text (Slobodná Encyklopédia). Taw 23:39, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Logo in Ukrainian

Would you add a Ukrainian logo when you have the chance? I've added a placeholder with the text at Wikipedia in other languages. Thanks. —Michael Z. 23:14, 2004 Sep 6 (UTC)

Image:Metro-station-dc-20031013.4.jpg

Hi there! Thanks for adding the image Image:Metro-station-dc-20031013.4.jpg. It currently doesn't have an image copyright tag, and I was hoping that you would add one as untagged images may be deleted eventually. (You can use {{gfdl}} to license it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) Thanks! --Diberri | Talk 22:29, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Acronym

Your input would be appreciated on Talk:Acronym; Anarion has resolved your final points and is ready to merge the content. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 18:16, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Miniscule

Why do you say miniscule is not a word? In every dictionary I own it is listed as a synonym of tiny. - SimonP 22:12, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

The word is minuscule, with two u's, not two i's, and isn't related to the prefix "mini". It usually refers to lowercase letters. The use of the word as a general synonym for "tiny" is considered slipshod extension, bad form where an unambiguous synonym like tiny would suffice. Nohat 22:16, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

American Heritage Dictionary:

miniscule: variant of minuscule
minuscule adj. 1. Very small; tiny. See Synonyms at small. 2. Of, relating to, or written in miniscule.

Meriam Webster:

miniscule: variant of MINUSCULE
minuscule adj. 1 : written in or in the size or style of minuscules. 2 : very small

-SimonP 22:24, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

So why not use the original than the bastard variant? Nohat 22:30, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Because it's not Wikipedia's job to enforce prescriptivist usage rules. We have a long a well functioning policy of accepting all recognized spellings. A policy that has saved us muc time and effort debating the "correct" form of English words. All English words were at some time a "bastard variant." - SimonP 22:34, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Well, we can at least use the most common spelling, which is minuscule. Nohat 22:35, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Miniscule" in LSD article

You removed it, claiming that it's not a word. It seems to be in the WordNet dictionary on dict.org:

miniscule
      adj : very small; "a minuscule kitchen"; "a minuscule amount of
            rain fell" [syn: minuscule]

I will also forego an ontological discussion on whether a usage of a word by a native speaker ipso facto constitutes its existence as a word. ;)

Kwertii 04:07, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

logos

Hi nohat,

I did a lot of logo work yesterday and the day before and the day before.

Then I found out they weren't transparent in IE, so I had to go back and re-find the solution to that all over again, then I had to re-upload all of them.

Now I'm having a new issue: Apparently the new logos don't have the "proper" dimensions and the top of the globe gets cut off when they are placed above the sidebar.

I'm sure you've done stuff with the PSD file since you sent it to me. Do I need to go back again and crop everything? Is this a known issue? Or is this new? (see http://fo.wikipedia.org/ for an example)

best, Node

Marathi Logo

Hi Nohat I have translated the text in Marathi and in Devanagari sript. Pl. create a logo for Marathi Wikipedia. Will you pl. inform me how to post it, so that it will appear on the main page of Marathi Wikipedia. URL of edit page is http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia_in_other_languages&action=edit&section=37

Regards,

Sushant

Tahnks! for creating the logo. But the only problem is that in the text, bellow the image, should be मुक्त and not मक्त . So the ु charector is missing. Please see that it will appear properly.

Thanks again!

Thanks !!!!!!!!!!

VBS

Hi. I want to report a problem with a guy that is saying that I did this and that, he offended me, and he is the one that is offending me, saying that I did this, with an aim, and that and that. I'm calm, and I dont want to answer, but the guy is unstopable. He even has another nickname and starts talking with himself just to people see he is correct. He just does not offend me but others that contributed to the article (in his view that was only me, even if I didnt add a thing that he says that I add).

Another guy, came and said, that he was not correct. He immidiatly offended him also. He wants to put biased info on the article Portuguese language that noone believes, just because he saw (or wrote) an website, that says it. Opposing all that linguists have been saying. He constantly puts enormous messages in the talk page of that article with all the false information that he could found, some reaching the completly redicule and allways foccusing on my person.

Because you are interrested in languages, you seem to be the correct person to this. It is getting impossible to discuss anything, he is allways focusing in Brazilian POrtuguese has if Brazilian Portuguese was another language and European Portuguese has if it were Latin.

Many Brazilians wrote also the article, the article is also with the same info in POrtuguese lang. wikipedia, without any controversy, now came this guy saying the Portuguese dominion on wikipedia! You are being fooled. Watch out!! He even says that things that were written by Brazilians are incorrect, but he changed it, because he believes that Brazilians get excited with people speaking Spanish and he came with is clone defending all that he said, that in Brazil they are teached "European Portuguese" and that was archaic, so ridiculous and false. He said that Brazilians do not understand Portuguese people, when 2-3% of the population in Portugal are Brazilians that came to here, a few months ago, due to an Agreement with the Brazilian government to accept immigrants from Brazil. They add the minimal problem in understanding any dialect, the same I hadnt any problem speaking in Brazil. He justifies me, because Portuguese people are exposed to Brazilians TV programms, I dont whatch any Brazilian program on TV. He even compares Portuguese with Spanish, and says that Brazilians understand Spanish better than European Portuguese, next he will say they understand Japanese better that European Portuguese (even if that was true - what is not- I work with Brazilians and Spanish and Argentinian people and I see that is not correct - Spanish is even more close to European Portuguese than Brazilian Port. but he says that no. One comment, he even says to the Brazilians to stand off for his country. He must feel that the language is someking of colonialism (here is the reason of all this). If you speak Portuguese or understand it, I'll show you documents from Portuguese and Brazilian universities about Port.lang. I think he should be banned. But he focus on me, to seem that I'm disrespecting wikipedia, the guy came a few days, added nothing to the wiki except creating irrealistic problems. -Pedro 14:58, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

the guy is now taking is revenge, is constatly changing my password:

Someone (probably you, from IP address 62.48.202.254) requested that we send you a new Wikipedia login password. The password for user "PedroPVZ" is now -Pedro 18:48, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

RP

Sorry about all that, I thought wikipedia supported HTML, so i added some spans so people could hide the sampa or ipa as per their preference. I was rather surprised to see it encoded <span> as <span> !! I then panicked and tried to fix it as fast as I could before anyone noticed the mess. I tried anchor tags with no target, since they do not introduce any formatting which would need to be cleared, but they didn't work either, same bug. In the end I had to resort to <u> and just hope no-one wanted to underline them :-) Anyway, it's all fixed now, it works and looks good. I have added .sampa {display:none;} to my monobook.css file and it works wonderfully. I will report a bug against <span> and <a> when I find out how. Nicholas 19:03, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ahh, well it only works for one person on one page because a) I've not publicised it yet, and b) I've not done all the other pages yet. I tried inline divs too but that wouldn't work because adding "display: inline" in the tag's style attribute overrode the "display: none" in the stylesheet. I also agree that HTML in articles is bad. Perhaps something like: {style="font-weight: 800;"|BOOM!} would be a good way of doing it. It looks like a template/table/wiki sort of way of doing things, the equals sign before the pipe being the distinguishing factor.

Could you tell me who doesn't think allowing markup (HTML or otherwise) is a good idea. I will point them to w3.org and fix things while they come to their senses. I'm a nice guy really, I just see the light of a semantic web, and wikipedia can be a big part of that. Nicholas

Also, what's wikitech-i ?

Pronunciation and Gdansk

I agree that the pronunciation is not needed twice. However, I'd strongly suggest that it was put in the very same place as in other Polish cities - as the first link after the name. That's how it is done in other multimedia encyclopaedias and that's where those links are in other articles about Polish cities. Check List of Polish cities for reference. If you believe that the place or format of the .ogg link should be changed - just tell me, but let's take the decision together and change all the articles consistently, not just one out of fifty articles. Consistency is the way to go here. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 08:14, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Also, the former, other language and additional names are put in brackets, not after coma. If you oppose this naming policy established long ago - please take part in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Names issues. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]]

I appreciate the conciliatory and cooperative tone of your comment. That kind of attitude is less common than it ought to be on Wikipedia. - you should expect nothing less, sir :)

The case of Gdansk is slightly different from most of Polish cities since the name is actualy used in English language and the Brits and Unitedstatesians apparently have their own way to spell it rather than "try to spell the original name". That's why there should be more than one pronunciation keys (and thanks for adding them). However, I believe that it should be treated in the very same way as other Polish cities. Also, for me the correct pronunciation is far more important than any alternative name. I propose that the correct, original pronunciation be left in the opening sentence and the other pronunciations be placed at the end of the heading. If you think that it'd be wrong - I will not oppose if you reverted my latest changes to Gdansk article.

I added a separate topic at the WikiProject page and let's wait with changes to other Polish cities until the matter is resolved by the community. What do you say? [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 09:38, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections of my IPA script. Most of them depend of the dialects and versions of the language and you probably speak some other Polish than I do, but they might be acceptable too, I won't quarrel. Also, in your version of IPA one does not put a primary accent (:) in one or two syllable words and replace it with a secondary accent ('), while in my version it is a mistake (I failed one exam some time ago because of that), but that seems like a minor issue too. Where did you learn the script BTW? [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 00:07, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Yup, I've met the newer version of the IPA in my studies (the one you use) but I simply got used to the older one, the one with a standard colon marking the primary stress. But I guess that my faculty might simply be zillion of years behind the world's progress. The guy that taught us descriptive grammar is 89 years old now and has not retired until last year... Anyway, I was referring mostly to the changes you applied to the sounds themselves rather than to the code syntax. But I guess that where I hear a softened e others might hear a semi-vowel (see: Kielce: my K'eltse vs. your Kyeltse). I guess that's just a matter of interpretation, so nothing wrong with that. [[User:Halibutt|Halibu tt]] 01:40, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Spanish grammar move mistake

It seems that you moved the talk page of "Grammar of the Spanish language" instead of the article page (I saw your note on the talk page). Could you fix it? [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 21:39, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Eek! sorry. I did the same thing with Finnish. Nohat 21:41, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Latin conjugation

Would you be so kind as to complete the missing tables on that page? I listed it for cleanup because the article was incomplete. Thanks. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 04:01, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Logo

Hi Nohat, at Dutch wikipedia we got a request from a well known technical magazine for a high-resolution logo. They need it by monday. We found this logo: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nohat-logo-XI-big.png, and I tried to add the Dutch text to it, but I cannot possibly find this Hoefler font for my Windows PC. Could you please, if you have some spare time, make a Dutch version, with this text: "WikipediA / De vrije encyclopedie". (We do not usually use uppercase in Dutch, expect at the first word of a sentence). We would be very grateful. Can you please notify nl:Overleg gebruiker:Walter, the discussion page of one of our moderators. I myself will not be available this weekend. Thanks, Ellywa 21:56, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. It will be used monday for a article in a magazine. Walter 20:08, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Redirects

I've noticed you've been busy redirecting. One thing... a redirect needs the number sign (#) in front of the word "redirect." You keep on redirecting (you apparently have a list you're working from) and I'll go back over the ones you've done so far, adding the symbol. SWAdair | Talk 10:13, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, but I already remembered that and am already fixing them. Nohat 10:16, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yep. I found several you had already fixed. I think between us they're all done. Keep charging ahead! :-) SWAdair | Talk 10:20, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm sorry that I caused you to feel that way. That was certainly not my intent. I thought of it as teamwork, just trying to help someone who was clearly being productive. My apologies. SWAdair | Talk 10:25, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Catalan language

Very hard to tell in your recent edits at Catalan language: did you just reorganize material, or were there substantive additions and/or deletions? -- 66.212.78.246 23:30, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Since you're an anon, I'll reply here. I added the classification section. Everything else was fairly singnificant reorganization, except for the examples of Catalan dialect which were moved to Catalan dialect examples because I thought they weren't interesting to the general reader unless they already are pretty familiar with Catalan. As far as I know, I didn't delete anything; if I did, it was accidental. I hope to include short summaries of the sections that only have a "Main article" link, eventually. Nohat 04:41, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Care to edit?

Poccil is busy, and suggested you might care to lend some eyes to the List of redundant expressions page. I'm getting crosseyed writing those sentences.

In my rereads so far, I've corrected errors with smalling the wrong word, and have discarded a few examples which were actually oxymoronic and not pleonastic, or were not really common enough. If you do have a go at the editorial gruntwork, a note on my talk page would be appreciated--then I can relax a bit. Thanks. --NathanHawking 01:32, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)

Village pump

You wrote a comment about the plural of prefix on the village pump. But, do you have any responses to the comment independent of the plural of prefix?? (Namely, about what the links I gave said.) 66.245.22.234 22:10, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I just saw your new edit to the village pump. Can you edit the articles yourself?? 66.245.89.80 00:32, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't really care enough right now to fix it. You're more than welcome to, of course. Nohat 00:34, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nohat!

I'll be in Palo Alto on Friday. Think we could scrounge up a quick Wikipedian get-together? (I'll be around all weekend, but scrummed into 24-hr conferences...) -- (ah well, next time perhaps. +sj + 12:04, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC))

A general note to arbitrators

Hello -- I'm writing this once but it's addressed to each of you, my colleagues. :-) I don't know if anyone's noticed, but we are under increasing criticism from Wikipedians because we are slow in judgment -- indeed, we have cases that were accepted 3 months ago still languishing in voting paralysis. I'm not writing this to necessarily chastise you -- two or three of you are ahead of me in keeping up with things, I know! But I see many pages where I and a few others have considered, proposed, and voted -- we are waiting for the rest of you. Please do so soon. If you are too busy to be on the AC (I often feel that way myself), perhaps it is time for new elections, but until that happens, I urge you to vote. We have a few tireless arbitrators doing a lot of work crafting some good proposals, but they're not getting attention, and the community grows restless. I hope we can ease some of the grumbling. I apologize for the impersonal message, and again, I'm not no a high horse here. I do think it's time for action, though. Leave me a note if you have any quarrel with my comments here -- I meant them well. See you at WP:RFAr... Jwrosenzweig 22:47, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I wanted to let you know that I have raised the question of your continued participation on the Arbitration Committee at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee. --Michael Snow 06:28, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request for VfD Decision

Hello randomly chosen Administrator.

I wonder if you or one of your colleagues could make a decision about Knaggs.

It is over a week since anyone voted. Cheers Jeff Knaggs 17:31, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

By the way - my Pippa looks a bit like your Force - see My website

Balthazar

Hi Nohat. I was playing around with Balthazar's photo, removing the eye flash. But once I'd done so, I realised that the photo is also used in the Tapetum lucidum article - so I think my edit was a bad idea. On the other hand - the flashing eyes look strange in the domestic shorthaired cat article. So I'll leave it to you to decide whether to revert if that's OK - maybe it would be better to have both versions uploaded separately instead? -- sannse (talk) 15:30, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

p.s. for some reason, the thumbnails are not updating. So if you decide to keep the change, it might need re-uploading - sannse (talk) 15:33, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Your status on the Arbitration Committee

Earlier I let you know about the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee about replacing you along with other inactive arbitrators, which has continued at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004. With all due respect for all the other good work you do here, since you have largely been inactive as an arbitrator I think it would be helpful if you resign your position, so that we can replace you as part of the upcoming election. If you could do this, or explain why you should keep your seat, it would be appreciated. Then you would be free to focus your attentions on your excellent efforts as a contributor. --Michael Snow 05:42, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Logo for Simple:

Can you put together a logo for the simple: wikipedia? One of our users made some mock-ups, but doesn't have the correct base globe, can't get it to the right size, nor get the transparency right.

Take a look at this discussion. The logo should look like "Suggestion E" (direct link). Thanks very much. -- Netoholic @ 20:46, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

Hello

Your photo makes me smile. Ground 17:01, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

A little dispute at Stop consonant

There is a dispute over whether nasals constitute stops. In my view, they strictly do, but are better known as "nasals" by linguists. Please go to Talk:Stop consonant and voice your opinion, seeing as I know your expertise in linguistics. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 21:26, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration

Hi, I've just discovered that John k has been requesting CERTAIN arbitrators to join the arbitration case against me. I think that trying to stack the odds in this way is an abuse. Would you consider joining the arbitration to balance the effect out? CheeseDreams 00:06, 11 November 2004

P.s. the arbitration is here [5]

Logo for Nauruan Wikipedia

Hi Nohat,
*Nauruan Wikipedia needs a logo. The text should be: "Wikipedia - Encyclopedia emenengame". If you even have any time to do it, I'd be very glad. Thank you very much and Greets -- 81.62.220.41 17:40, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikinews logo

Hi Nohat,

the Wikinews project is looking for a logo: Logo contest. Given your excellent work on the Wikipedia logo, I thought I'd invite you personally to participate. Is this something you'd be interested in?--Eloquence * 03:27, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

Mailing list question

Nohat - did you get my email? (Sent to you via the "E-mail this user" link.) - David Gerard 21:02, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I emailed you too. I got your automatic spam filter reply and followed the instructions. Did you get my mail? Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 23:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image tag

Thanks for uploading Image:EgyptianA.png. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Aqua 07:26, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

PS. you did provide a source but I couldn't find any info about its copyright status on the pdf and I can't read the language on the site that's hosting it. If you think it's copyrighted, then even knowing who would hold the copyright would help.

Also

Hoefler Text

I searched for the "Hoefler Text" font with no results. Could you please tell me where can i download it? Thanks. Iron Bishop 19:00, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Schwa cleanup

That was a very ..er... enthusiastic cleanup, Nohat. Not a bad idea but I think you may have tossed a few of the important bits too.

Here's what I think you missed:

1- Schwa is, in English (and Hebrew) considered a "null" sound, the equivalent of "no vowel at all". English and Hebrew speakers asked to pronounce, say "Mxpltzk", are pretty much guaranteed to use schwa at least 3 or 4 times. The sound appears in French or German too but has its own distinct identity. This is probably the reason the English sound is named after the Hebrew one, rather than the more obvious examples of the same sound in more-related French or German.

2- Schwa is a sound that's never taught to English-speakers (it doesn't even have a fixed symbol) and so you need at least a few examples for English-speakers to recognize it by. You only left one, and a pedagogically-poor one at that. Anyone who doesn't know what schwa sounds like will probably go away thinking it sounds like /V/ or /A/. The US "uh" sound can also sound like these. Instead, use a drawn-out example that remains true to sound even when spoken slowly, like "third". Then mention that it shows up in many unstressed syllables like the "about" or "cycle".

3- Schwa is certainly taught to French and most European speakers, but as a native sound with its own symbol. ("e" in Fr. je, etc.) Why not include some of those examples too, both as an aid to ESL students and to English speakers learning other languages?

Would you like to add these bits or shall I?

Steverapaport 15:54, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Aspirated/unaspirated consonants

Hi. I appreciate you fixing my English language examples on the some of the consonants. If you know anything about German pronunciation, maybe you should take a look at voiceless velar fricative to see if I made the same kind of mistake. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 11:35, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also, since you started many (all?) of these consonant articles, I was wondering what you thought of putting language examples in separate sections as I have started to do. This organization allows for a larger number of examples without pushing the features of the consonant to the bottom of the page. I was thinking about doing this for all of the articles (of course leaving a few short examples near the top, especially for the phonemes in English), but I thought I should check with you before continuing. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 03:58, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Voiced velar plosive

I can think of at least one example where "ng" is usually pronounced [ŋ] in the middle of a morpheme (hangar). What do you think about something along the lines of:

There is no universal rule for when "ng" is represents /ŋ/ and when it represents /ŋg/ or /ŋdʒ/. However, /ŋ/ is most common when "ng" occurs at the end of a morpheme.

Or does this complicate matters too much for this article? I suppose this could go in g.

Also, do you know how "ng" came to represent the velar nasal in English (wild guess: assimilation [ng] --> [ŋ]). This would be interesting to put in the article as well. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 11:25, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ArbCom

Hi David - We at the Arbitration Committee miss your input. Please start voting again soon - the Banman needs your help. :) --mav 00:33, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Lesser five

I too did not know about the Lesser Five until I heard it in college admissions discussions. While the term is not in wide-spread use, it _does_ exist (ask anyone active in college admissions).

Since you are at Cornell, according to your profile, I think there is a bias factor in your changes.

Jawed 21:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I didn't change anything. I just recommended it to be deleted. The community will decide if the article should stay. Nohat 22:13, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

email list

Can I be taken off the arbitration mailing list. Following the unsubscribe directions doesn't seem to work... Martin 12:13, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Big logo Wikimedia and Mediawiki

Hi, I would like to have a big version of the Wikimedia logo and the Mediawiki logo. It is more making posters. Can you do that? Greetings, --Walter 21:47, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Continents Colliding

Ho no, the world is ending.. no, no; just being greatly confused again with new comments on the Continent Talk page; I have no idea if my comments are usefull or just re-hashing old talks. All best :)--Daeron 02:23, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Google

What is your thinking behind moving Google inc to Google and the original Google article to Google search? There were a few talk page comments to merge both articles. The move does not make sense, the new Google article does not contain a significant amount of important data. You did not give a reason for the move on the talk page? In my opinion your move should be rolled back immediately. zen master T 14:55, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hey Nohat, did it seem strange when you added a reference to information about *Criticisms* of Google to the new Google article you linked to an article titled Google *search* Google search? Please state on my or the article's talk page a rationale for not moving the criticisms (and other non search technology related) sections from the Google search back to the new main Google article? Are you saying there should be a separate Criticisms of Google article? I disagree. As I posted on the talk page I plan to soon move the criticisms section (and other non search related sections) from the Google search article back to the main Google article. Please use any available talk page.zen master T 18:52, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Considering that most of the criticisms have to do with the way they run their search engine, it seems appropriate to have the description of those criticisms on the page that describes the search engine. Nohat 19:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

List of British English words not used in American English

Hi Nohat,

you didn't give a reason for converting to list format instead of the table format.

The related articles List of American English words not used in British English and List of words having different meanings in British and American English (which you've also changed) were also in tabular format, so I'd appeal for consistency, and I think (just my opinion) that the list format is more difficult to read.

I've been taught to use lists for short lists, and tables for longer ones, as the horizontal and vertical lines of the boxes in the table act as a 'guide' for the eyes seeking a datum in the volume of (often) disjoint information.

Could you add your reason for the change in the relevant talk pages?

Regards

WLD 00:05, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

jargon and other stuff google

Does the jargon section make much sense inside the search engine specific article? From a quick glance none of the jargon appears to be search/search technology related? I think that section and others in google search should be moved back to the main Google article, what do you think? zen master T 01:30, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

ft²

Your suggestion that ft² is somehow less correct than "sq. ft." (in, e.g., Empire State Building is frankly ludicrous. There really is a correct way to write the symbols for units of measure; they are not abbreviations. 18.26.0.18 07:09, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Who decides what the "correct" way to write the abbreviations for traditional units like "feet" are? Who gave them that authority? And when did they decide that square feet is ft² is the "correct" way to write "square feet"? Unless you have reasonable and complete answers to these questions, I respectfully submit that you have no idea what you're talking about. Nohat 07:24, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki_talk:Copyrightwarning

Your version has some problems... for instance, how will people tell between Croatian D-stroke and Icelandic Eth? Also, people will be working mostly with one language at any given time, and the letters they need will be scattered all over the place and hard to find. Several people objected when I tried to make the special characters normal size instead of small-font. I would urge you not to make your version live prematurely without allowing some discussion first. -- Curps 08:49, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You got me right at the right moment. I was just moments away from hitting submit. Let's discuss then. Nohat 08:53, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your version accidentally puts some lowercase-L diacritics among the capital-I's. Also the IPA characters all appear as hollow boxes on my browser (Windows XP), whereas the letters in the current version all show up for me under both Windows XP and Linux. Some people might confuse β for ß also. Other comments are on the talk page. -- Curps 09:43, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)