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Alright, who changed Dasani to "Yummy water" throughout the article?

to 82.32.33.67: Dasani is just some brand of bottles water, not a sophisticated subject worthy a lengthy article. Hence I consider the current three paragraphs fully sufficient in order to no longer call it a stub. That's why I removed the stub mark. Why did you put it back in? -- sanders muc 22 Mar 2004

How can you get...

...bromide out of calcium chloride? I'm a little confused. Does Coca-Cola use some sort of alchemical process or something we've yet to even begin to comprehend? Jonathan Grynspan

I assume they're claiming that the tap water (from the Thames?) contained bromide ions, which reacted with the calcium chloride during the ozonation process to produce calcium bromate. No alchemy required, but maybe a little spin. ;) - toh 2005 June 28 19:55 (UTC)

"Flop" or not?

Justinc, I've moved this thread here, in case others want to chime in... --Ds13 17:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

You removed category 'flops' from it but if you read the article it was a major flop in the UK, and in fact the entire European rollout was cancelled due to this. Justinc 10:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Justinc. Please don't make the "if I read the article" assumption. I've been an early and occasional contributor to this article so I'm aware that it was pulled from the UK and not released in other European nations. (I'm also not crazy about the taste of Dasani -- sometimes tapwater tastes better to me.)

Personal taste aside, Dasani is a global brand that has held significant presence and market share in much larger markets for five years or more. The UK bottled water market is very small, even compared to any other European nation[1], so the question is... is a big embarassment in a small market enough to label a global brand a "flop"? Perhaps -- I could probably be convinced with some other examples. But if you look at the other entries in the Flops category, Dasani looks like a winner to me. Incidentally, I saw a TV commercial for a new (?) line of Dasani drinks that are fruit flavored. Growth.

I certainly wouldn't dispute a label of "UK flops" or "European flops", but when Dasani is maintaining 2nd place in the huge North American water market[2], it seems wrong to stick it in a category with losers that don't exist in any form at all, anywhere, anymore. --Ds13 17:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

hmm, I think something can be a flop and not a flop at the same time, which it seems to be in this case. It was interesting that the UK failure meant that it was not released in Europe, and yet the publicity didnt spill into the US. It was one of the major marketing flops of history, just check out the press coverage. Justinc 00:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

It should be a flop - it was the biggest flop in the UK for some time. Magic Pickle 20:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Not to deny the product's flop status in the UK in 2004, but in 3rd quarter 2005, Coke experienced a "37 per cent rise in global volumes for water brand Dasani".[3] Similarly, "in North America, which accounts for about 30 percent of Coke's total revenues, sales rose 3 percent, largely due to strong demand for Dasani bottled water and Powerade sports drinks."[4] Take it all with a grain of salt. And bromide. --Ds13 22:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Not to deny the American market's importance, but the European market is surely just as important. The population of Europe is substantially greater than the US, has a somewhat similar level of wealth, and bottled water is immensely popular across the continent. The fact that Dasani's launch was entirely pulled in Europe (not just the UK) due to negative publicity definitely makes it a flop, as much as if the same events had taken place in the US.

If a European brand of water had been completely withdrawn from the US due to bad publicity, I'm absolutely positive the english language Wikipedia would describe it as a flop.

Not implementing its products in the American market (if a company fails to after trying that is), would be a flop, yes. The company still outsells every European drink company in existence by far, even in Europe. But... it was still a flop in England, I don't think that is debatable. If it tried to implement its products in the European market but failed then it would be a flop there too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.214.29 (talk) 13:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A joke...

If they can do this with water.. what do you think they do with their other products, which everyone already knows to be unhealthy(!)... water is supposedly a healthy drink, except, as it seems, when coca cola involve themselves with it. Treating tap-water with reverse osmosis is a joke, for several reasons (a) it is become standard practice in some areas for tap water anyway; it probably would have been cheaper just to use REAL spring water. Helzagood 01:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Having personally worked on reverse osmosis systems, I can tell you firsthand that they are capable of producing EXTREMELY pure water. Combined with carbon filters, an RO system can produce water so pure it has to be contained in specially-treated ("passivated") pipes, because it'll dissolve stainless steel! (The minerals Coke/Dasani adds would eliminate this effect.) It also doesn't conduct electricity at that level of purity. (Again, adding minerals will counteract this.)

So. Is Dasani tap (or municipal) water? Yes. Is it 'pure'? Probably more so than the original tap water.152.51.56.1 (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Tap Water

Is it fair to say that Dasani is purified tap water when many of the US manufacturers have their own well and treat the water on site? "Tap water" seems to imply that they are piping in water from a community reservoir when that isn't always true. - Jablair51 23:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Fairness" aside, it all comes down to what we can cite from verifiable, reputable sources. The current claim of "tap water" isn't cited. That's bad. "Municipal water" may be a better way of saying it. That claim can at least be found at [5]. I'll make that edit now. Maybe some of those municipal sources are wells. --Ds13 01:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The Trading standards report is good enough to cite, and it clearly and openly with detail points Coca Cola's use of tap water. --78.86.159.199 (talk) 14:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that original research though? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.211.123.115 (talk) 07:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

No. Citing a report or any other reliable and independent source is not original research. David Spector (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Name?

Anyone have an idea where the name comes from? And, if someone does, wouldn't it be wise to include it in the article as, perhaps, a piece of trivia? 68.193.20.182 03:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I probably comes from some water-realted term or the last name of some dude.--Count Mall 01:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Does anyone have a better picture than the main one on the page? It's a horrible quality and contrasts.--Peregrine88 16:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it needs to change. I don't have a picture, though. Paul Haymon 02:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I made a new photo. It's not perfect, but probably better than the last one. Kristjans

Uh, where is it? :) Paul Haymon 11:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a new empty Dasani bottle. I can take a close up picture of the logo on it. My100cans (talk) 23:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Surname in Indian Subcontinent

Dasani is also a surname in the Indian Subcontinent. I would also be interested in knowing the origin of this as a Coca Cola product.

I've deleted this ridiculous passage from the article: Unlike beer, Dasani water has absolutely no alcoholic content what so ever. It keeps your body running smoothly. It's good, but many beleive that alcohol would make this beverage very much more popular among youngsters. The canadian government in 1999 decided that it would not be a wise idea to have proof on water, so the idea of "liquor water", or "eau d'alcool", was cancelled in Canada. 66.68.173.84 04:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Canada

I've restored this line, which was removed during the "Yummy Water" vandalism and not restored. The mention of Quebec now makes sense. Rojomoke 14:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Dasani was launched in Canada in 2000, a year after launching in the United States.

The following line is likely untrue, not substantiated by its citation, and likely contradicted by its citation: Included in these minerals is a compound that keeps Dasani water from being able to freeze. [5]72.83.123.223 (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

McDonalds

Can someone add that McDonalds sells Dasani bottled water? Specifically advertised to go with the salads (moreso in summer promotions). It would be intrestion to note this, in McDonalds futile attempt to have healthy options. They sell for $1.23 (with tax), and not sure on size. 16 oz? Bryse 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Spring!

As of 2007, Dasani seems to have been supplanted by 'Spring!' (or simply 'Spring') water, which is also associated with Coca-Cola. Any more information on this? —Nahum Reduta 10:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm still seeing Dasani about. I like it, so I pay attention to it... --StarChaser Tyger 08:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Spunk?

I was born and raised in the USA, and I have heard a LOT of slang words for semen, but I have never in my life heard the word "spunk" until reading this article. Spunk isn't a slang word for semen - at least not in the US. Armyrifle (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

—As a Brit, I guarantee that in the UK (as the article says anyway), it is definitely slang for semen. I can't remember whether or not the word was used in the advertising campaign though. 86.9.65.51 14:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm this. Spunk does mean semen here. As to whether the word spunk was used in adverts here (the UK), I have no idea. Liam Markham 19:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's rare, but not unheard of in the US. --StarChaser Tyger (talk) 03:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, good old laughs we used to have in class back in high school with the word Spunk, i had forgotten about it until reading this. I might use it again. ;) --78.86.159.199 (talk) 14:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, definitely normal British and Irish (it comes (?!) from the Irish Gaelic word for 'tinder') slang for semen, or, as most Brits and Irish would call it, 'sperm' - you only really hear 'semen' in American TV police series, or perhaps in British and Irish hospitals when the doctor's trying to sound scientific. Not quite sure what the preferred Oz and Kiwi slang is, but I expect 'spunk' is the term of choice down there too. For that matter, American English has its own share of slang words for the white stuff that are hardly known outside North America, such as 'jizz' and 'spooge'.188.230.248.85 (talk) 18:00, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

I've removed this content. The advert referenced was an online one, not targeted at the UK market, and so the UK connotations for the word is pretty irrelevant. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

It is relevant when talking about why it failed in the UK. As it was marketed worldwide people in the UK would have seen it and therefore not wanting to buy water that was apparently filled with semen would be unlikely to buy it.Thebobbrom (talk) 15:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Introduction Date/Location

The introduction places this product as having been introduced in 1993. However it says that it was launched in the US in 1999 (as stated in the Canada paragraph), Canada in 2000, and every other country listed after that. So I ask, where was the product first released? According to the article, it wasn't launched until later than 1993 in the US, the UK, Canada, and Latin America, so where did Coca-Cola first launch this product? --24.150.27.219 (talk) 04:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that too. I found a source for the 1999 launch: http://www.beverageonline.com/article.mvc/Coke-Enters-North-American-Bottled-Water-Mark-0001?VNETCOOKIE=NO and I updated the article to state 1999. Avatar-X (talk) 19:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Dasani in Africa?

I noticed that there is a section for the US, Canada, Latin America and the UK, but there is no section for Dasani in Africa, a glaring omission. 74.73.148.242 (talk) 04:18, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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Advertising? Delete?

This is written like a very detailed, low-key advertising piece, describing not only this brand, but associated and parent products as well. The references mostly criticize specific aspects of the product line and the parent company. They are not references supporting these detailed product descriptions. The brand is not established as notable for any useful reason. For these reasons, I think this article should be nominated for deletion. David Spector (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Or at least cut this down from a general article about the brand to a report on just the controversy, if it is truly notable. David Spector (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering about making the same comment. There's just this sort of focus on the brand and the details that isn't quite encyclopaedic, "It is one of many brands of Coca-Cola bottled water sold around the world." "This makes Coca-Cola the largest bioplastic user in the world." "... the Grand Canyon, where Dasani water is the water sold by the parks." And all the repeated, "announced," "released," stuff. I'm not keen on actually deleting the article - someone might genuinely want to know - but I think it could do with a bit of a stylistic overhaul and the removal of details that are not to do with the actual product and its history. FloweringOctopus (talk) 11:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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External Links not working, missing information

While checking a few of the citations I discovered that most of the external links did not work. The external link "Coke Announces Dasani Water". Beverage Digest. February 1999., Coca-cola, Kellogg’s, Mattel and Takeda Pharmaceuticals top the list of international brands guilty of abusing consumer rights., an October 2007 article from Consumers International, and What's in that bottle?, a January 2003 article from Consumer Reports all report server error.

One thing that could be added to this article is the discovery that Dasani water is on the acidic side, with a pH of 4.9. This bottled water is acidic due to the additives. Since this water is acidic is also dissolves enamel. Lizanderson309 (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Adding to the article: water sources, sustainability, etc.

Hi, I was thinking about adding to this article. I've written a draft to add sections about where Dasani sources their water, their sustainability movements, their blocking of the Grand Canyon plastic bottle ban, and etc. I think I'll add this within the next few days. GoldenLaurel (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Cost of bottled water

How is the statement: "The amount of money the US spends on bottled water could be used to build three times the water infrastructure needed to deliver clean water around the world." any relevant when talking specifically about Dasani bottled water? It seems to me more appropriate in the Bottled water article. --68.65.165.146 (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Hamlet

Kola Superdeep Borehole?

Citation [14] appears to have been replaced by a BBC article regarding the Kola Superdeep Borehole, which contains no reference to Dasani or indeed bottled water in general 82.42.48.15 (talk) 03:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Lead Too Short

@Philafrenzy, last month added that the ald was too short. What additional information do you suggest be put in the lead to be compliant with the manual of style? Justafriendlykiwi (talk) 18:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)