Talk:Oatmeal ball

Size

I've been in Stockholm the last 3 weeks. I seem chokladboll at probably 75 cafes, bakeries, etc... Not one of them was "smaller than a golf ball". Most of them are about the size of a hacky sack, maybe half way between golf ball and baseball — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greggman (talk • contribs) 09:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The golf ball size (or even smaller) is what is normally done at home, in schools or other similar places. The hacky sack sizes are mostly at cafés because I assume it is easier to price something of the size of a hacky sack... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.138.38.37 (talk) 11:24, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Name Controversy

Whether or not 'Negerboll' is politically incorrect and/or offensive has no relevance to the food or its name. I won't remove it but I hope somebody does. - ZM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.124.102 (talk) 05:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it merits mention, but it's currently discussed a bit more elaborately than it needs to. Cutting it down to about a quarter of it's current length would seem about right. - Eudoxie (talk) 01:59, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Sunes Sommar Negerbollar :) --Space simian (talk) 07:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

VfD debate

Article was nominated for deletion on April 26, 2005 but kept. The debate is archived on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chokladboll. Sjakkalle 11:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Removed sentece

removed this irrelevant fact:

In 2003, bakery owner Agneta Andersson from Sjöbo, was reported to the Swedish Ombudsman against Ethnic Discrimination for using the word negerbollar on a sign in her bakery shop. However, the case was dismissed, since the woman reporting it did not consider herself personally insulted.

Lets focus on describing the food itself instead of its name.

Fred-Chess 17:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I've added it back. The name is of interest for someone reading this page. Eighty 21:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

negerboll

Whats the basis for the comment "Now rarly used" about chokladboll being called negerboll? /Lokal Profil 15:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is not correct that the word "negerboll" is rarely used, in fact I think it is the most common word in daily talk, though it is not used for pastries that are sold at coffee shops or in grocery stores. Google gives 17 200 hits for negerboll and 18 600 hits for chokladboll. 213.65.178.113 19:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

May be diffent in different parts of the country. // Liftarn

I agree with Liftarn, from where i come we never use or used the word "negerboll". // Zl33py (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well I am from Boden in Norrbotten and I say Negerboll and all my friends and my family are saying that too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.164.26 (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I think people that are political correct usually don't socialize with political incorrect people and therefore the amount of people using the term "negerboll" could seem rare to political correct people while it indeed probably is a very common term. I'm from around Stockholm and I dislike the old term "negerboll" but it's still a term I'm hearing everywere and have heard all my life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.2.69 (talk) 01:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I second that. HenkeB (talk) 21:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Neger means black in Latin and refers to the cocoa used in making the confection, which colors them almost black in the baking palette. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism. You can also find recipes for white/vanilla balls or dreams and noone seems upset about that, either. Sounds like someone should have done his research a little more thoroughly. And yes, it is not uncommon to hear people in 2011 call cocoa balls by 'negerbollar.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.182.197.2 (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Negerboll and Chokladboll is not the same thing as the Negerboll has coffe in it. This is obvious in any older cookbook like "Vår Kokbok" from 1982.

37.247.12.181 (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The two are synonyms, not variants. Just do an internet search for "chokladbollar" and "kaffe" and you'll get tons of recipes with coffee. I did a survey of Swedish newspaper texts and found recipes that use the term "negerboll" way back in the 1950s, with or without coffee.[1]

Peter ^Isotalo 08:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

negerboll in lead

I have just reverted the mention of the (older?) slang term in the lead as it is probably undue weight to include it there. However if someone could produce a reliable source (such as discussion about how the slang term may be considered offensive but is still in wide use) then there may be considered sufficient justification for adding it. I tried searching for a newspaper source for "negerboll" but failed to find anything relevant though there are a number of websites, such as recipe sites, that use the term but do not discuss usage. Fæ (talk) 13:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Negerboll is simply the old word for chokladboll and not a slang. When a debate started in the early 2000s they got to a conclusion that the old word negerboll may be offensive for some people so people started to search for an alternative. Some people started selling it as chokladboll and because of the confusion one seller (maybe more) sold them as "call them whatever you want ball". If you look at the swedish wikipedia it also include the names kokosboll (coconut ball) and havreboll (oatball). If you search for the word negerboll on svenska akademien ordlista (Swedish Academy's Wordlist) it states that "Negerboll <colloquial> ballshaped pastry made out of butter, oatmeal and cacao - Rather use chokladboll". I added it to the top because it's still widely used and had no intention of trying to be offensive. On the swedish wikipedia it says that the word chokladball was first added into the SAOL (Swedish Academy's Wordlist) was in 2006 while in the earlier editions only negerboll existed. There's also a pastry called negerkyssar (Negro kisses) that's been subjected for the same thing and is now recommended to be called chokladkyss (chocolate kisses) to not appear offensive to anyone. Because of the long use of the word negerboll and being the original name of the pastry and still is being widely used, I think it's important to include it at the top, even though the word today have gained a more offensive meaning. --90.230.77.147 (talk) 11:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I suggest you chose the best quality published source that defines the word and add that as a footnote for any inclusion in the lead. You may wish to consider the guidance of LEAD which is probably the most relevant guidance. If chokladabolls have a well established controversy around the word negerbolls, then I agree that this is should have a brief mention in the lead text and worthy of finding some citations in its own right. Fæ (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll just add that after a pretty long discussion (and users reverting the article back-and-forth) the Swedish Wikipedia reached a consensus to have the name in the lead. BTW, could this be used as a source: DN (Swedish)? Jiiimbooh (talk) 01:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Aftonbladet: This mentions the debate. There would of course not be such a debate if negerboll wasn't used. Jiiimbooh (talk) 01:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The big problem with using "Chokladboll" or "Kokosboll" is that "Chokladboll" is often associated with chocolate truffles, and only in the exception rather than the rule the ball has coconut flakes on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.171.111 (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it doesn't contain any chocolate. I see "havreboll" used more and more often; that's in my OR though so if someone can find a separate source for that please put it in. Jikybebna (talk) 06:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

They should just call it an 8 ball

or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.161.131 (talk) 23:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

A type of fridge cake?

The article says that the chokladboll is a kind of fridge cake (which I have never heard of before), but clicking on fridge cake redirects you to Tiffin (confectionery), which is composed of, among other ingredients, crushed biscuits, syrup and raisins. Chokladbollar (plural form of chokladboll) doesn't contain any of that. So, a chokladboll can't be a fridge cake, can it? —Kri (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Going by the description from the fridge cake article, I'd say they are - you let the balls anywhere near heat, and the butter will start melting, which is very few people's idea of a fun time.

You heat the butter before mixing it with the other ingredients, but after mixing, you roll the mix into balls, then roll them in some covering, usually pearl sugar, after which they're technically done.

Most people I know store home-made balls in the freezer. Some (okay, mostly me) even serve them frozen, so I don't consider them "done" until they've been in the freezer overnight. 109.228.176.49 (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Origin

Are there actually any sources to support the claim, that Chokladboll originated in Sweden? It is a pretty well known confectionery in Denmark as well, with one source mentioning it in 1943. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I still haven't seen any sources that states that the Chokladboll originates from Sweden, and since I have found a source that states it is from Denmark, I think this is the information that should be presented in on the page. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A Swedish newspaper published a recipe of it in december 1943, so do we actually know if it originated in Denmark? It's not unlikely that the recipe originated there and quickly spread to Sweden I guess. https://www.svd.se/arkiv/1943-12-14/9 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7YnbhLpq8rI/VbvHHg0pqcI/AAAAAAAAAEE/RXP-WzzVwEA/s1600/SvD%2B1943-12-14.jpg Swedol (talk) 13:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, "Negerbollar", although different from today, was mentioned in a Swedish newspaper as early as 1918 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6zJ-7kPkp-w/Vbu-ukx0ybI/AAAAAAAAADw/DvqNWnOL0Wo/s1600/SvD%2B1918-01-26.jpg http://isotaro.blogspot.com/2015/08/chokladbollens-historia-del-1-negerboll.html Swedol (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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